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Just found out yesterday....
« on: July 10, 2007, 07:58:15 am »
Hello. My name is Samantha and my boyfriend Adrian was just diagnosed with AN yesterday. I have learned so very much from reading these forums for the past 3 hours. You all seem so supportive and eager to share your experiences.

I am a bit surprised however at how large Adrian's tumor is compared to many others here. He was told it is 4cm approx. the size of a lemon according to the Doctor. My concern is that I have read that the tumor is supposed to be slow growing. Even though his symptoms started approx 9 months ago with ear pressure and ringing, then 2 months later after antibiotics for ear infection and ear drops the dizziness started to occur. This was then followed by hearing loss and constant headaches. It was only after he complained of facial numbness (which started 2 weeks ago) that the MRI was ordered. He has seen several specialist and just finally last week was given the MRI with contrast, and not because the Dr. suspected AN but actually because he suspected MS (Multiple Sclerosis).  My question is that since his tumor is so large and his symptoms getting progressively worse at such a fast rate is it possible they can grow faster in different people? Has anyone else experienced this? It seems like I said earlier that most here (or at least the ones posting) have 2cm or smaller. How long after symptoms occurred were you diagnosed with AN?

Thanks in advance for all input and comments!
Sam
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Re: Just found out yesterday....
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 09:01:06 am »
  I know that the two of you must be very frightened but my first piece of advice is to take a deep beath and learn what others can give you to get through this.  I must ask, how old is your boyfriend?  This is important because the truth is that these tumors grow much more rapidly in younger patients because of elevated hormone levels.  So, my guess is that he is in his early twenties.  I think that I myself could look back to almost 9 months of symptoms if not a bit longer, but I was 49 when I was diagnosed 3 years ago.  As a matter of fact I am having my annual follow-up MRI today and will see all my docs next week.  There are many people on this forum who would be more than willing to share their experiences and to hook you guys up with the best doctors.  Where approximately do you live?  And maybe you could tell us all what the doctors have recommended and which one recommended what.  That will lead the two of you down the path to make an informed decision.  Everyone here is readily available to assist.  Let us know.  I wish you the best of luck on this journey.  Email anytime.  Holly 
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 09:09:37 am »
Dear Sam,


First, I congratulate you for being "mature" and concerned to read for hours on end, with the forum.  Our best "wishes" to you and your boyfriend.

Many of us have been miss-diagnosed which includes myself.  My symptoms are the same that your boyfriend has.  It was the hearing loss that finally got me back to a different doctor for diagnosis.  I had many doctors for different AN symptoms and they didn't refer me to and ENT at the time.

Yes, there are people on the forum that had a tumor the size of a lemon or larger.

The Acoustic Neuroma tumor is known as a non-cancerous tumor and true, slow growing.  It must be watched as, it can "take-off" when least expected.  (begin growing again after CK or GK or some surgical removal, leaving a portion so it won't destroy the facial nerve)  In some cases radiation is used on the tumor section that is left after surgery.  I'm not experienced in this area as I had Cyberknife.  My tumor is 22 mm but, large enough and on a nerve to cause the same or similar problems as, your boyfriend.  I'm not experienced in the major surgical area.  There are others on this forum who had a very large AN, that might see your post and help you with a private email or posting to the forum.  (for your own data to pass on to your male friend)

If I understood your last question correctly, I answer that I had symptoms for years before being diagnosed properly.



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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 09:17:09 am »
Sam,

How old is Adrian?  I had symptoms for a long time, but they can go through growth spurts.  Mine was about 3.5 at time of surgery, and my only symptoms were hearing loss and tinnitus.  Others with smaller tumors are much more symptomatic.  Everyone is different, that's one of the first things you'll notice about this beast.  Second, do your research and choose a good surgical team.  Where are you guys located?  A lot of people reccomend House, but there are also many other great teams out there, so there are options.  Third, as a caretaker, the road may be hard for you as well.  Keep an eye out for threads about the psychological pitfalls and take notes on how you can handle them.  Adrian may go through a pretty severe "angry" stage that strains relationships....know not to take it personally, it's not about you at all.  Make some expectation agreements before surgery so that you both can meet each other's needs.  Lastly, know that this is completely doable and that going through tough times makes for better people....you learn to apprecate life and smell the roses and that's not a bad thing.  This forum is a lifesaver, we're family and here for you guys.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 09:59:26 am »
Thank you so much for the fast and caring responses. The support here is very comforting and I have already forwarded this link to Adrian so he can follow along at work and will be posting himself tonight when he gets home.

To answer some of the questions.... Adrian is 34 years old and we live in the central Florida area, however we would be more than willing to travel anywhere to make sure we receive the best care possible.

We received the news yesterday via the phone from the doctor and have an appointment Thursday to talk more about our options. The next two days in the meantime are going to seem like months!

From what I have read and because of the size of the tumor it seems like removing most of the tumor and then finishing with radiotherapy would be the most beneficial way to make sure none of the delicate nerves around the large tumor would be cut like they possibly would if they tried to remove the tumor completely.

Thank you again so much for the comments and kind words of advice. If it wasn’t for this forum I would be pulling out my hair right now with worry.

Sam~
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Dr. Harry van Loveren - Neurosurgeon & partner Dr. Levine
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2007, 10:37:59 am »
Sam -

as I'm sure you have seen from reading the posts on this forum, there is a lot of good information here.  You've definitely come to the right place for advice, suggestions, and support.

Everyone is different.  My AN was only 1.5 cm at the time of my MRI.  My only symptom was diminished hearing and I let that go for 3 months before I even went to a doctor.  From what I was told, my AN was considered medium size.  I had the option of Gamma Knife or surgery.  I opted for surgery.  Even through the AN was supposed to be slow growing, mine had almost doubled from the time of my MRI to the time of my surgery (one month).  I don't think youth had anything to do with that; I'm 45 1/2. The docs originally thought they could save my hearing, but because the AN had grown, they were unable to.  Despite that, I consider the surgery to be a great success.

I don't know what the specific treatment options for your boyfriend will be, but make sure you see qualified doctors.  My doctors were highly recommended, highly qualified, and just flat out incredible.  The neurosurgeon had done surgery on larger AN's - I think some were 5 or 6 cm.  I live in Illinois, but I'm sure someone who lives closer to Florida can recommend someone.

Another member mentioned that your boyfriend will need your support through this process.  I can definitely concur.  I am a single mother of 11-year old twins, and without my family, I could have never gone through the surgery and recovery.  In my opinion, both physical and moral support from those you love is vital no matter which treatment you choose.

Good luck to your boyfriend and you.  Keep us posted.

 
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2007, 11:27:41 am »
HI Sam! I was 34 when I was diagnosed with my 4 cm tumor and my symptoms started only 3 months before surgery. I started with some facial tingling, about a month later the dizziness started and wouldn't stop. I then realized that my one ear felt muffled, like it needed popping on an airplane.  They say that tumor was there for 10-15 years and looking back I can see the very small subtle signs. The dizziness worsened and by the time of surgery I wanted to be bedridden (but with 3 kids it wasn't possible. ;)). From my MRI discovery to surgery was a month and yes I did decline in health but the drs said I could postpone surgery for a few weeks if I needed to. I wanted it out!

I had surgery in Cleveland Ohio. My drs were able to remove all the tumor. I do have single sided deafness and have a BAHA and I have facial paralysis and numbness which is still recovering. I'd be happy to answer any questions, feel free to pm me anytime.

Good luck!
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Re: Just found out yesterday....
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2007, 12:16:17 pm »
Hi Sam (and Adrian)

I just wanted to give you a welcome shout-out to the forum boards.  As you can see from the responses to your post, many are here to help in all ways that we can.  We remain committed to providing the best support we can... and it should help bring you inner peace that, as you can see, you all are certainly not alone.

If you have any questions about using the maneuvering around the website, please let any of the moderators know... we are here to help.

Again, welcome to you and please know that we are cheering you and Adrian on.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2007, 02:16:31 pm »
Hi, Samantha:


As I always say to new visitors, I'm sorry you have to be here but glad you found the site and the forums.  Thanks for your kind words, too.  We do care and try to offer the best practical advice we can.

I'm one of the 'lucky' AN patients with a fantastic outcome that Bruicfer mentioned.  After developing various symptoms, including loss of taste (and rapid, unwanted loss of weight) notable disequilibrium and sudden lethargy, I underwent an MRI scan and was diagnosed with a large (4.5 cm) acoustic neuroma tumor in May of 2006.  I underwent microsurgery (retrosigmoid) a month later to 'hollow it out' (and cut off the blood supply) and came through that with no real complications.  Home from the hospital within 5 days, driving within 2 weeks and feeling pretty good.  I'm retired so work wasn't a problem but I believe I could have handled with my former desk job just fine.

My neurosurgeon partnered with a radiation oncologist to 'map' my follow-up radiation treatments, 26 in all, spread out over 5 weeks, that began in September of '06 and ran through mid-October.  This approach is known as Fractionated Stereotactic Radiation, more commonly referred to as 'FSR'.  The goal of this two-tiered approach is to is to reduce the size of the tumor while preserving the vital facial/cranial nerves, then use low-dose radiation to kill the tumor's DNA.  The result, as you may know, is called necrosis, or cell death.  My last MRI (June 20th) showed significant shrinkage of the remaining tumor and definite signs of necrosis.  My neurosurgeon was beaming and called me his 'star' AN patient.  I humbly accepted the accolade.   ;)

Your boyfriend, Adrian, may have a similar option and you both should discuss it with a physician.  His tumor is too large for radiation, alone, but as you can see, there are other approaches the doctors can take besides 'surgery only'.  Surgery can sometimes cause residual problems for the patient if the tumor placement necessitates disturbing any facial nerves in order to remove all of the tumor, but I trust you're familiar with that risk.

One caveat: we're all individuals with different genes.  Just because I had an excellent outcome with the surgery/radiation approach, no one can guarantee that will automatically be the case for anyone else, although I personally believe this approach makes sense for large AN tumors and, obviously, my very experienced neurosurgeon agrees.  As others will likely advise,  physician experience is paramount in successfully treating AN cases.  As this is a relatively rare condition, not that many surgeons are familiar with it.  Some neurosurgeons, very experienced at operating on spines, are really behind the curve in treating AN patients.  This is why you must inquire of any potential surgeon, how many AN cases have they operated on?  Anything much less than a number safely in the hundreds is probably too low.  Do not be intimidated by any doctor.  This is Adrian's life and future at stake and he must make the decisions and not be pushed into anything, even if he has to act fairly soon.  I know you'll be with him all the way and that is a big plus for Adrian.  He'll need an advocate in the hospital and later, while recuperating.  Life may become somewhat difficult for awhile, but I trust you two will ride it out.  I pray you and Adrian will make wise decisions based on knowledge, not fear.  Remember, an acoustic neuroma is a problem but it's not malignant and it is operable - and surmountable. 

I hope you guys stay strong.  Feel free to post here as often as feel necessary.  We really do care.

Jim

 


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Re: Just found out yesterday....
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2007, 02:42:22 pm »
hi sam,funny thats my wifes name,tell adrain dont freak out.i had all of his symptoms and then some.
my tumor was also the size of a lemon, at 8 cm.About 2 years ago i had ear tubes put in,due to loss
of hearing,like when water is in your ear,it pops open and closes.1 year later i started getting headaches,
associated with dizziness and blury vision and stumbling/falling down,and a throbbing head,and i would hear a wosh,wosh sound .this would happen all at the same time
and only last about 3-5miutes.what i mean to say is there is no telling when these things start.Adrian,hang in there buddy. 
kicked my little 8cm buddy to the curb-c ya !

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2007, 05:23:01 pm »
I was 34 when diagnosed (and treated) for a 4+ cm tumor as well.  You can read more about my experience if you view my profile and scroll down to read previous posts.  What you should know is that I am 3 years post-op and doing great!  I walked away from translab surgery without residual issues (other than the expected hearing loss in the affected ear).   Stay strong and positive, and please send me an email or personal message if I can be of help in any way!  Lisa Peele
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Re: Just found out yesterday....
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2007, 07:14:45 pm »
This is Adrian.  I would first like to say thank you for all the kind words.  I truly am a little taken back by all of the love and support.  As you already know, I just found out yesterday that I have AN and to say the least, I'm very worried.  I was misdiagnosed with MS and a very good friend of mine advised me to stop taking artificial sugar as there are many side effects from it.  Sucralose was in the whey protein shakes that I ate 3-5 servings of a day, along with the sucralose in the jelly I ate everyday in my morning breakfast shake and my cottage cheese at night. I also would treat myself to sugar free chocolate, sugar free ice cream, and a diet soda or 2 on the weekends.  The irony for me in this whole situation is that in the past 1.5 years I've lost 90 pounds and to be struck with a blow like a tumor in my brain is a little disheartening.  In the past 1.5 weeks I've stopped all of the fake sugar and my dizziness has diminished considerably.  My facial numbness is about 90% normal, my lip numbness is about 70% normal, but my tongue is still "tingly".  So one would deduce that the fake sugar is a culprit to my issues, but then there is still the loud ringing in my right ear with deafness and the constant headaches on the right side of my head.  I take ibuprofen like its candy and I'm sure that is not a good thing.  What is absolutely scaring me right now is that my left ear, my "good" ear, has a fairly loud ring in it, much like the sound of crickets chirping.  I also have noticed for months that my memory is not as sharp.  Lately I notice many dyslexic activities.  I write letters in words backwards, I type letters in words backwards and its frightening.  I always had a mind like a steal trap.  I also notice that at times I have to force myself to swallow.  My right eye will water a lot and if it has too much "sensory input" it starts to hurt.  I also notice that my right nostril is often stuffed up and at times tends to drip.  All of those "minor" issues aside I'm strong as an ox.  I wake up at 4am to be at the gym by 5.  I have an extremely fast past job as a Food and Beverage Buyer for 7 hotels.  I "go" all day and get to bed many nights at about 10-10:30pm sleeping about 6 hours if I'm lucky.  Physically I'm very strong, and cardiovascular, I can run 5-6 miles.  I work out almost everyday.  Did anyone find that your symptoms became heightened while under stress as I often find mine occurring more intensely while at work?

As far as support, Sam is the best possible mate a man can ask for. She is always up-beat and very positive even when she has no reason to be.  I'm sure by her posts everyone can tell she's an angel.  The support system is already in place so that's one less worry.  Her resourcefulness with finding this website is incredible.  It helps so much to hear the stories of other people with the same problems.  This website is great.

In most of my reading there seems to be one constant, House in LA.  I read how experienced they are.  I already know that my right ear is gone, I've made peace with that.  My major concern is facial, eye, and balance issues.  I only want the best when working on my brain.  Sorry, but I'll pay $50 a month for the rest of my life if I need to for the best possible care.  I have a meeting with my ear specialist who ordered the MRI Thursday morning and it feels like its a month away.  As mentioned before, I am so incredibly worried that there is ringing in the "good" ear.  Did anyone experience the same issue?

I know that in the next few weeks we will need to make some rather important decisions regarding the rest of my life.  Thank you ALL for your kind words and life stories.  I truly enjoy reading them all.

Adrian
Age 35/ 4cm AN right side, Transpetrosal aproach, 9/6/07
Dr. Loren Bartels - Otolaryngology & partner Dr. Christopher Danner
Dr. Harry van Loveren - Neurosurgeon & partner Dr. Levine
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Re: Just found out yesterday....
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2007, 07:48:08 pm »
First of all, welcome to the forum though I'm so sorry you have to join us.  This is a great resource - everyone here got me through my research and surgery when I needed it.  It was invaluable.

Did anyone find that your symptoms became heightened while under stress as I often find mine occurring more intensely while at work?

YES!!  Stress and fatigue are huge factors (at least, for me).  Generally speaking, I have no residual effects of my translab surgery - aside from the expected deafness.  But if I'm really stressed or overly tired, the side of my face will start to tingle and my balance goes wonky.  I see it as my little alarm bell telling me when I need to take a break and meditate!   ;D

In most of my reading there seems to be one constant, House in LA.  I read how experienced they are.  I already know that my right ear is gone, I've made peace with that.  My major concern is facial, eye, and balance issues.  I only want the best when working on my brain.  Sorry, but I'll pay $50 a month for the rest of my life if I need to for the best possible care.  I have a meeting with my ear specialist who ordered the MRI Thursday morning and it feels like its a month away. 

House certainly has a lot of experience.  It sounds like you AN is large enough that you won't be able to escape surgery in some form.  You can get a phone consult with House to see what they have to say.  Your best bet may be to have consultations with several different doctors and make a decision about treatment based on what you feel is right for you - whether it's local or across the country.  I chose to stay local (Boston), but having the confidence that I did all I could to make a decision that was right for my situation made all the difference in the world.  While I was nervous going into the surgery, I also knew that no matter what the outcome was I wouldn't second guess myself.  That's what I needed to have peace of mind.

Good luck to you.  Please keep us updated and feel free to ask any and all questions as they come up!

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2007, 07:58:30 pm »
Hi Sam and Adrian:

Welcome to our safe zone.  We all know what you are going through.  The stress of the diagnosis is enough to really get your symptoms fired up. 

Once you find a doctor you trust to do the surgery, you will calm down and want it over so you can move on. 

Being at peace with the fact that you will probably loose you hearing is a good thing.  I lost my hearing in my left ear and I can honestly say, it is an inconvenience at times but no worse than that. 

I was lucky.  I am three years post op, deaf in the left, my nose runs like a faucet on the AN side when I mow the grass, walking in the dark is a challenge (get a night light) & tinnitus is my constant companion but I don't even notice it anymore.  Those are my complaints.  Not too bad when I look at the big picture.

There are many very experienced neurotologists and neurosurgeons out there that work as a team removing ANs.  You can find them at most teaching hospitals.  There are quite a few people on here that have had surgery in at Moffitt in Tampa.  I am sure they will be posting soon.  House Ear in LA is very well known and they do AN surgeries every day.  I chose to stay here in Minnesota as my surgeons had done over 500 at the time and I trusted them completely.   

Good luck to you both, Kathy

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2007, 08:41:45 pm »
Welcome Adrian (and Sam),

You've definitely come to the right place for support.  I was diagnosed a couple months ago and this forum has become lifeline for me.

Adrian, you asked if stress can bring on symptoms....YES!  To compound things, sometimes it's hard to tell if the symptoms are due to the AN or insomnia and anxiety over the AN.  Either way, the symptoms can sneak up on you when you least expect it.

You also mentioned the ringing in your non-AN ear.  I have read that it's common for both ears to have tinnitus, and that the balance can change (mine is about 70% in my AN ear and 30% in my good ear, but sometimes it changes to 50/50 for a few hours).  NSAIDs, including ibuprofen and aspirin can contribute to tinnitus.  Not sure about tylenol.  Good for you for giving up artificial sweeteners!

I know it's all new and overwhelming right now.  The more you learn about ANs and your options the better.  There's a wealth of information on the internet, just be aware that a good bit of it is biased.  Finding the right doctor is most important.

Best wishes to you both,

Betsy

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