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Looking for NE contacts
« on: January 15, 2009, 08:33:49 am »
Hi All,

I was just diangosed yesterday with AN, and I'm just starting the process to analyze and gather information.    The biggest question is whether I can find good treatment in proximity to Rhode Island (New England area) or whether travel will be necessary.   Any comments on particular hospitols and/or doctors would be appreciated.    I've been going through these posts, and I'm sure there is alot of good info already posted here.   

Regards,
Steve
Diagnosed 1/14/09 - 2.4cm AN right side --- about 70% cycstic
Retrosigmoid wiih McKenna & Barker - total removal successful on April 13th. 
Issues: balance, facial & mouth numbness, hearing loss right side
Results:   numbness gone, balance is good, SSD right side. Great results.

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 09:25:28 am »
Mass General in Boston is the place to go around the NE.. there's a large contingent of patients here

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 11:05:38 am »
Thanks Joe.  I also heard that there was an experienced doctor at Yale in New Haven which would be closer.   Since my symptoms are advanced, I'm trying to jump on this quickly.   My total hearing loss started around the holidays with balance probelms and facial nerve loss around New Years.   I'm hoping quick action can minimize and/or reverse some of what has happened.
Diagnosed 1/14/09 - 2.4cm AN right side --- about 70% cycstic
Retrosigmoid wiih McKenna & Barker - total removal successful on April 13th. 
Issues: balance, facial & mouth numbness, hearing loss right side
Results:   numbness gone, balance is good, SSD right side. Great results.

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 11:30:34 am »
Hi Steve!  Welcome to the forum!  You've come to the right place to ask questions (like you already did).  While I'm not in the NE (quite the contrary, in the south) I can't comment on doctors or facilites in your area.  You didn't mention the size of your AN, so I'm not sure (and others won't be either) about to recommend CK, GK, Surgery, etc places.

Welcome to the little club that nobody wants to become a part of.  

Regards,
Brian
Diagnosed 4/10/08 - 3cm Right AN
12hr retrosig 5/8/08 w/Drs Vrabec and Trask in Houston, Tx
Some facial paralysis post-op but most movement is back, some tinitus.  SSD on right.
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 11:58:56 am »
I m in N.H. we have Dartmouth Hitchcock medical center w/ awsum docs.DR.Erkmann neaurosurgeon removed my tumor.I have no facial weakness.Mainly balance  issues.I had translab i have some hearing left in my right ear.The # to call is 603-580-5000.
Dr.Saunders is my ENT.Good Luck what ever path you choose.
2cm removed retrosig 6/26/08
DartmouthHitchcock medical center lebanon,N.H.
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 01:28:51 pm »
Thanks guys.    I don't know how large it is just yet, but I'll find out.   How much chance is there of getting the hearing back?  Once it pinches the nerve, is it gone or does it come back in some cases?    I'm also an avid long distance biker and also spend alot of time on the ocean fishing with my boys.   So balance is probably more important to me to see it restored and hopefully preserve the quality of life that I currently enjoy with the kids. 
Diagnosed 1/14/09 - 2.4cm AN right side --- about 70% cycstic
Retrosigmoid wiih McKenna & Barker - total removal successful on April 13th. 
Issues: balance, facial & mouth numbness, hearing loss right side
Results:   numbness gone, balance is good, SSD right side. Great results.

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 01:48:11 pm »
Steve -

Hello - and welcome.  Although I'm sorry you have a reason to be here  - an acoustic neuroma diagnosis - I think I may be able to offer you a suggestion on a doctor/hospital.

My doctor was Issac Goodrich and he performs AN surgery out of The Hospital of Saint Raphael in New Haven, Connecticut.  Dr. Goodrich is a neurosurgeon with decades of AN removal surgery experience, stretching back to the 1970's (also known as the 'AN Dark Ages').  Dr. Goodrich is not 'cut-happy' and if your AN is small, he will probably refer you to a radiation oncologist for treatment.  In one case of a patient I referred to Dr. Goodrich, the doctor decided the man's AN was too small to benefit from surgery so he made an immediate appointment with the radiation oncologist for the patient and personally escorted him to the oncologist's office, located in the hospital next door.  This is the kind of caring and compassionate doctor he is.

In my case, I presented to him with an advanced AN (4.5 cm) and some fairly serious symptoms.  I made it very clear that facial paralysis was my biggest concern with having surgery.  Dr. Goodrich listened carefully and mapped out a plan wherein he would 'debulk' the tumor, in effect, hollow it out and cut off it's blood supply, then have me submit to FSR to kill the remaining tumor cells.  We followed that plan and it worked out splendidly.  The surgery was successful, reducing the tumor to about 2.8 cm, and the radiation treatments were uneventful but also successful.  On my last MRI scan, the remaining AN was shown to be undergoing necrosis (cell death) and had shrunk a bit, only 2 years following the surgery and radiation. Naturally, both doctor and patient were elated.  :)

I hasten to mention that my symptoms prior to the surgery were becoming profound and included loss of equilibrium, loss of the sense of taste and sharp, stabbing pains on the side of my head where the AN resided.  I had lost over 30 pounds due to not being able to taste my food and I was very fatigued.  Within a few days of the AN removal surgery, my appetite returned, my balance improved and the stabbing pains disappeared.  My initial surgical recovery was a few weeks (I was allowed to drive again in 2 weeks) and I suffered no adverse effects from the subsequent radiation treatments administered a few months later (as planned).  Of course, my experience cannot guarantee anyone else's, including yours, but I wanted to offer my doctor's name and hospital affiliation for your possible consideration. 

Here is a link to Dr. Goodrich's practice:  http://www.ct-neurosurg.com/

Dr. Goodrich's photo and a brief resume are included on the website under 'Our Doctors'.  He is in his late 60's and operates out of The Hospital of Saint Raphael in New Haven. http://www.srhs.org/default.cfm   

I highly recommend Dr. Goodrich and I trust this recommendation will prove useful to you.

Jim

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 02:13:28 pm »
Steve,

In most cases, the rule of thumb is that whatever hearing is gone at the time of treatment will be the MOST that you can expect after.  There are some exceptions to that rule as some have better hearing after treatment, but I wouldn't say that's the norm.  That's unfortunate, and I'm not entirely sure why the damage to the hearing nerve cannot be healed with time.  I'm sure there's a good medical reason for it.

Hearing loss, total or not, can be overcome if it's bothersome.  Many people say that hearing loss after treatment is just fine (with slight modification of expectations, etc..), but others who say that hearing loss adversely affected them and their way of life chose to get a BAHA or TransEar hearing aid (if they have total hearing loss on one side) and yet others who have just some hearing loss have chosen other hearing aids.  Most doctors will tell you that hearing, while important to most of us, is down the list of priority to getting the entire tumor and saving the facial nerve because relatively little can be done about the facial nerve being damaged (which causes parallysis of the face, dry eye, etc...).

I would thing that your balance wouldn't be materially affected to the point that fishing, at some point in the future, wouldn't be possible.  Heck, I'm 8 months after surgery and I go camping and have been bowling recently.  It's different, but not impossible.  You do what you can, when you can do it.  It just takes patience and time.  USUALLY.

Let us know what you find out about the size.  That greatly affects the choice of treatment options you have available to you.  Generally speaking, the smaller the tumor, the more options you have.  Jim and I both didn't have much option beyond surgery.  My surgery got the entire tumor (they say), while Jim's "debulked" it and followed up later with radiation treatment to kill the rest.  Most surgeons will say that it's always a possibility of doing that; but they'll get the whole thing if they can without causing too much trauma to the facial nerve and risking perment issues there.

Regards,
Brian
Diagnosed 4/10/08 - 3cm Right AN
12hr retrosig 5/8/08 w/Drs Vrabec and Trask in Houston, Tx
Some facial paralysis post-op but most movement is back, some tinitus.  SSD on right.
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 02:54:33 pm »
Jim,

Thanks for the referal, and he definitly sounds like one that should be on my list.    New Haven is only 1.5 hours away from the house which is a plus, but Dr. Goodrich certainly seems to have the wealth of experience that I would prefer.     I'll follow up with him soon. 

Brian,   thanks as well for the encouragement and straightforward info.     I'll just have to deal with whatever cards I get dealt and be happy about it!    I have also lost feeling in my face and down into my throat enough to not feel or taste food; I've even bitten my tongue a couple of times because I don't feel it.    It would be a big plus to eventually get the taste back; I do love to catch and then create our own meals from the sea in the summertime!   

Thanks for the help guys.    I'll try to find out tomorrow what the measurements are on the AN.   Based on my symptoms though, it must be pretty good size.    I'm also lucky to have a cousin who is an ENT at the Geisinger Institute in Danville, PA.      Hopefully he can give me some guidance when the final decision needs to me made.   

Best regards,
Steve
Diagnosed 1/14/09 - 2.4cm AN right side --- about 70% cycstic
Retrosigmoid wiih McKenna & Barker - total removal successful on April 13th. 
Issues: balance, facial & mouth numbness, hearing loss right side
Results:   numbness gone, balance is good, SSD right side. Great results.

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 03:54:28 pm »
Hi Steve and welcome. Well, I'm part of the Boston Brigade on this site (and evidently, one of MANY moderators based in the NE... :) )  Glad to see you here and welcome.

Much info here. If you go to the home page of the discussion forum, then at the top, do a "search" option, there has been a LOT of info, over the past few years, in regards to treatments in the NE. You can try doing a search by each treatment option or location.  that may be a good start. 

the ANA also offers a WTT (Willing to Talk) list. This is a list of patients that volunteer their time to answer questions, provide insight into their particular AN Journey. You can obtain it by phoning or emailing the ANA office (go to the home page... www.anausa.org) and their contact info is noted on the bottom left side of web page).

Once a quarter, I organize a brunch in Worcester MA for those of us on this discussion forum. A great opportunity to get together in a VERY fattening, relaxed environment to meet and talk.  Usually posted in the AN Community forum. Should be organizing the next one soon. Keep an eye open on that forum for updates (Usually noted as the ANA Discussion Forum NE Brunch).

As you can see by my sig line, I had Cyberknife radiation on my AN almost 3 yrs ago (wow, gang! that long now!). I had it done in Boston and many here (as previously noted) have been treated in town. So, any questions for me, I'll be glad to answer and help as best as I can.

so, that is my welcome to you. Glad to see you here (although the reason stinks) but looking forward to further participation here from you.

Again, welcome!
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 04:42:19 pm »
[...]
Brian,   thanks as well for the encouragement and straightforward info.     I'll just have to deal with whatever cards I get dealt and be happy about it!    I have also lost feeling in my face and down into my throat enough to not feel or taste food; I've even bitten my tongue a couple of times because I don't feel it.    It would be a big plus to eventually get the taste back; I do love to catch and then create our own meals from the sea in the summertime!   

Thanks for the help guys.    I'll try to find out tomorrow what the measurements are on the AN.   Based on my symptoms though, it must be pretty good size.    I'm also lucky to have a cousin who is an ENT at the Geisinger Institute in Danville, PA.      Hopefully he can give me some guidance when the final decision needs to me made.   
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Pre-treatment symptoms aren't a very good indicator of size, fyi.  Jim had major symptoms and a big tumor.  I had a big tumor but not debilitating symptoms (just tinnitus and loss of hearing).  Others have had pretty major symptoms with a very small tumor.  Other still have had no symptoms at all with a pretty big one.  We're all over the map about what symptoms and how big our tumor is/was.  It's more important as to WHERE the tumor is and to what it's "attached" itself to that indicates symptoms.  The fact that you have numbness of the face amd throat would indicate, to me, that the facial nerve is more involved than, say, the balance nerve.  In the general area of the tumor, the balance, facial and hearing nerve are all together in close proximity.  Where the tumor is exactly situated (on whichever of the 3 nerves) more dictates the symptoms rather than size.  Not always, but much of the time.

In all likelihood, with some time after treatment, balance won't be a problem and the taste issues will be resolved.  Unfortunately, that's not true of hearing much of the time.

You are very lucky to have an ENT to help guide you.  Hopefully he can give you some information and help guide your treatment choice based in facts rather than other things.  Phyl's exactly right in that there is a great amount of information here about the tumor, treatment options, complications, and even doctors in the NE.  While I'd love to go, their annual get together in the NE sounds like a blast!  I highly encourage you to attend one if you can. 

Kindest regards,
Brian 
Diagnosed 4/10/08 - 3cm Right AN
12hr retrosig 5/8/08 w/Drs Vrabec and Trask in Houston, Tx
Some facial paralysis post-op but most movement is back, some tinitus.  SSD on right.
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 11:36:10 am »
Phyl, thanks for the "welcome!!"      Please keep me posted on that meeting in Worcester.   I'm sure that it would be a great benefit to me at this early stage.     I have to also say that this forum is wonderful, and you all have been great already with offers of advice and help.    How did we live without the internet just 20 years ago?   

Brian, my primary doc told me that the AN is 24mm X 22mm X 21 mm in size.    That seems small compared to others that I have read about on this forum.    However, your explanation makes more sense and maybe just a little more disappointing.     If I have these kinds of symptoms already with a relatively small tumor, than that may not bode well for recovery of all my nerve functions.  I'd like to recoup any hearing that's possible, but I'd still be happy with the face, mouth, and throat feeling as well as my balance.   At 52 years old and three little kids, I have alot of motivation to get back to as close to normal as possible.    There are too many good things to come, and I don't want to miss anything with the kids whether its a good day of fishing, shooting some hoops, or a long bike ride to take away the work stress.   

My ENT cousin should be a great help in coming to a quick decision on the treatment once they (his team at Geisinger) review the MRI on the disc we just mailed out to him.    Once we specify the "process", I hope then that I can start meeting with the doctors in NE that have the most experience with the final chosen process, whatever that ends up being.   

One question:   I assume that tumor removal has a more immediate and rapid effect on nerve restoration, as compared to gamma knife.     Since gamma knife success depends on cellular death of the tumor over  a period of weeks and months, wouldn't that possibly result in further nerve damage and decay of those tissues making conservation or restoration less possible?
Diagnosed 1/14/09 - 2.4cm AN right side --- about 70% cycstic
Retrosigmoid wiih McKenna & Barker - total removal successful on April 13th. 
Issues: balance, facial & mouth numbness, hearing loss right side
Results:   numbness gone, balance is good, SSD right side. Great results.

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 02:06:30 pm »
Steve,

At that size, which would be considered medium approaching large size, you may find a gamma knife facility willing to treat with GK.  Usually, there is some swelling of the size as initial reaction to radiation so that your tumor may become larger before it dies.  It really depends on WHERE it's located and what might be impacted by the swelling of it's size.  Please consult your doctors about best possible treatments given it's location and size (among other considerations).  Between the time of treatment with GK and when one might see swelling, decrease in size and hopefully necrosis (cell death) usually happens over the course or months or years.  You have to be in the right frame of mind (thinking in those terms) to be able to wait that long.  For many, they can do it and others "just want it out!" and opt for surgery.

The recovery time for nerves is as slow for surgery as it would be for other forms of treatment, I think.  I can't speak terribly much for radiation, but for surgery it's been painfully slow (I'm 8 months out of surgery and the facial nerve hasn't fully recovered although it's very close).  Others can give you a better idea of timing, issues, etc..

I will tell you that my tumor was 30mm (or 3cm), which seems small, was considered large.  Surgery was really my only option due to size and because of location (already putting pressure on the brain stem).  That's where doctors come into the equation for deciding on treatment.  They can tell you where it is and what will likely be affected by various treatment options.  Consult both radiation specialist and surgical ones.  Get opinions from both.

There is a great likelihood that being there for your kids, doing things with them (fishing, shooting hoops, bike rides, etc..) is not going to be impacted significantly by this.  It may for awhile while you recover from whatever treatment you choose, but in the long run you should still be able to do those things.  I have 2 kids of my own (8 and 3), so I can totally relate to you about wanting to be there to do things with your kids.  I can tell you that for a short while it was impacted, but overall it won't be.  Worry less about that if you can.

Keep the questions coming...  :)

Regards,
Brian
Diagnosed 4/10/08 - 3cm Right AN
12hr retrosig 5/8/08 w/Drs Vrabec and Trask in Houston, Tx
Some facial paralysis post-op but most movement is back, some tinitus.  SSD on right.
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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2009, 02:57:13 pm »
Seal~
Hi!  I, like Brian, am from Texas, so I can't help you any with Dr's there.  I did want to comment on 1 thing that you said.  Even though you seem to have more "symptoms" now - I don't think that that necessarily means they will TOTALLY stick around after. I, personally, think it has to do with how "sticky" your tumor is.  Many of them are sticky and they have to work harder to get them out and thus the nerves are stretched more.  There is no way (that I know of) for them to know this until they get in.  IMO, that would be why the way that Jim went with surgery & FSR would have its benefits!  Just my opinion!

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Re: Looking for NE contacts
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2009, 04:12:56 pm »
Steve ~

Checking back on the thread I note that Brian ('Pooter') and others have offered you some sound advice but as Brian mentioned, for specifics on your AN (which is medium-sized) and what might be the most efficacious way of addressing it (surgery or irradiation) you'll need to consult with a physician, and likely, more than one.  My neurosurgeon approached my specific AN in a manner that gave me a good chance to avoid some of the common complications of AN surgery (facial paralysis, double vision, headaches, etc) and then, employed radiation (FSR) to destroy the remaining tumor's DNA.  The FSR was 'low-dose' and I suffered nothing but boredom during the 26 separate treatments (about 25 minutes each, 5 days a week for 5 weeks +1 day).  As I've stated, my experienced neurosurgeon (Dr. Goodrich) and later, the bright young radiation oncologist he worked with (Dr. Haas, now re-located to Long Island, N.Y.) teamed up to offer me the best possible approach to destroying my tumor while maintaining my quality of life, afterward.  They succeeded magnificently, in my opinion.  Even so, neither one could guarantee the outcome of either the surgery or the radiation, except that the radiation oncologist promised me that I wouldn't lose any hair (after initially saying that I probably would.  I didn't.)  It can be maddening, but the fact that no one, including your doctor or anyone posting here can accurately and honestly predict outcomes of either approach remains the harsh reality of dealing with an acoustic neuroma.  Still, we all seem to muddle through, somehow.  O.K., some muddle better than others but we all go on with our lives, slightly altered of course and usually with a changed perception about the meaning of life and our place in the world, but still, we carry on and life returns to normal, often, a 'new normal'.   

I wanted to mention that although my AN was large and pressing on my brainstem (Dr. Goodrich wanted me in surgery almost immediately but it was more like 3 weeks before I was wheeled into the OR) my symptoms did not really manifest themselves to the point of becoming disabling until a few weeks prior to my diagnosis.  I have an aversion to doctor's offices so I ignored them as long as possible but they finally got so bad that I had to do something.  Unfortunately, my hearing in the AN affected ear had slowly disappeared over a 5-year period and even though the surgery was successful, the nerve was damaged beyond recovery and I remain deaf in my left ear (SSD or Single Side Deaf).  I believe I cope fairly well with it.  I'm a relatively fit 65, (21.6 BMI) and while I'm no athlete and prefer a nice air conditioned hotel room to a camping tent, I don't sit around all day, either.  I think my balance, although not exactly what it was before the AN affected it, is quite serviceable.  I do everything I did prior to my AN diagnosis.  However, if I happen to lose my balance (trip or stumble) I don't recover it as quickly as I used to...sometimes not at all, which can be embarrassing but, fortunately, is fairly rare.  Last August, my wife and I visited DisneyWorld® in Orlando, Florida and I went on a lot of fast rides, including Space Mountain, with absolutely no ill effects.  After that, my wife (my biggest supporter all through my AN experience) said "you must be fully recovered, now".  I am - and I'm grateful, every day.  :)  I trust you'll have a similar outcome to your AN experience. 

Jim
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