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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 06:12:43 am »
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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2007, 08:53:31 am »
This is my first post. While I hate the fact that I am here, I am happy to have found this place.

My experience started about a month ago when I suddenly lost hearing in my left ear and suffering from the ringing.  Steriods from the ENT doctor brought back the hearing but the ringing he said would take longer. He ordered an MRI to be sure. Well, the MRI revealed a what they termed "large" 1.4cm acousitc neuroma on the 8th intercranial. At 36yrs old. This was alot to take in last Tuesday. Now that I have had a week to think about it, I should have recognized the signs. I occasionally get mild headeaches, and my wife has gotten use to carrying advil in her purse just from me. The specialist, Dr. James S. Toung, M.D.  with Texas ENT, has referred me to another specialist at the Texas Medical Center. Doctor C.Y. Joseph Chang, MD FACS.  Is anyone here from Houston. I would love to hear who you went with and your outcome. My doctors appointment is Thursday morning to discuss the AN and go over options.  My goal or expectations are 1. remove/kill tumor, 2.maintain quality of life (2a. no facial or nerve damage, 2b. perserve hearing in left ear.)

At this point, I am so overwhelmed. The internete has been a wealth of information, but not always good information. It seems that every approach has complications and everywhere I read on the internet people have problems.  I am trying to read as much as possible now that I have found this site. My insurance has been a problem for me. For that I am thankful. I guess I just need a little direction or guidance. Specially from anyone that has experience local in Houston. Thanks.

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Hey Waypoint,

My name is Clifton and I live in San Antonio,Texas. I know a couple of people on this board that live alot closer to you that could offer you some excellent advice if they haven't already.
I experienced the exact same symptoms as you described, and visited a local ENT and had some MRIs done and thats when we found it.
Mines the same size as yours.
We decided that the best route for me was the "trans-labrynth" or "trans-lab" approach. Due to the fact that mine is already pressing against the brain stem radiation was not an option, and neither was watching or waiting because im 21 years old.
My surgery date is sept 14th but it seems like yesterday being in your shoes.
I wish you the best of luck and take a lot of time researching your doctors and options.
If you need anything PM me.

thank you
2cm AN right side.
Trans-Lab DONE as of sept 14th 2007!
some facial weakness initially, right ear completely deaf.

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Dr. Bogaev   Neurologist
San Antonio, Texas
25 years of age - 4 years post op

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 09:11:09 am »
Waypoint- I know a woman in Houston who had Gamma Knife over 3 years ago- I know her from a smaller group that I was on. She does not post on the ANA site. If you send me a personal Personal message I can give you her e-mail address. It may help you in making a decision based on her experience and who she had her treatment with in Houston. Sorry you had too join our group here. Best Regards_Ron.

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2007, 10:01:53 am »
Hi Waypoint

Welcome to the club but sorry that you had to join. You have had some informative replies already and all I can add is the fact that
There is life after AN .  After the initial shock you will realise that you have many options of treatment including GK which was my choice . I am now over 28 months post GK and apart from tinnitus and some hearing loss I am doing fine . My last MRI showed that the AN was shrinking which made me very happy about my choice . I wish you good luck with making your choice .

Regards Kat
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Sheffield UK in April 2005 2nd MRI in December 06 showed signs of the AN shrinking and MRI in FEB 08 showed no change . SO FAR SO GOOD .

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2007, 10:05:03 am »
Waypoint,

You are very lucky that your hearing bounced back. Two months ago I could hear perfectly, woke up one morning and my left side was just about gone. After two weeks of Prednisone and getting an MRI, my hearing did not return. Upon my return visit to my ENT, I found out I had acoustic neuroma...........what the heck is that??? she goes on to say that I have bilateral acoustic neuromas (both are 1CM) and breifly touched on NF2. Since then the hearing on my right side has gone way down, I can bearly understand phone calls now, balance has now become an issue as well as Tinittus on the right side. I go back tomorrow with the MRI of my spine for possible NF2 (I keep telling myself I'm not NF2, but I know better) stuff going on. I was scheduled for surgery for the left side in the 2nd week of October, we may have to go to plan B now, don't know what that is yet, will find out tomorrow.

This is just my opinion, I think alot of people get treatment and turn just fine and go on their way, where as the ones that have had difficulties kind of vent their feelings here. I'm no expert but I sure have learned alot in the last seven weeks and was able to consult with my Dr. and understand exactly what he was talking about................learned most of it on this board. I know it is hard but keep your chin up, as a  buddy of mine who had his left leg amputated in the spring told me............there are worse things, me and you however will survive..........he is right!

John
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7/10/07 hearing gone in left ear overnight
7/25/07 diagnosed with bilateral acoustic neuromas - aka NF2
11/7/07 left side tumor removal via middle fossa - 12 hrs.
11/15/07 right side decompression via middle fossa - 8 hrs.
Dr. Eisenman - University of Maryland Medical Center

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2007, 11:09:46 am »
Waypoint,

First, let me preface by saying welcome. As you can see, as already demonstrated, we are all here to help in any way we can... we give good shoulder... we give our good ears... we give opinions and suggestions... but, most of all.... we give the best support we can.  There truly is nothing more I can add to what has already been noted, but know that we truly do understand as we have been in your shoes... and we're doing as terrific as we can. :)  Please hang in there. Know you are in thoughts and we are here to cheer you on during this journey...

We're glad you found us.

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2007, 12:48:33 pm »
Well, I just got back from meeting with Dr. Joseph Chang here at the Texas Medical Center in Houston. Wife went with me. She not going to let me out of her site. Actually, I'm glad she went. We both are going in on this with eyes wide open and it does make me feel better that she is there with me.

The diagnosis is a little worse than I was lead to believe. The written results from the MRI scan indicated that the AN was 1.4cm  Dr. Chang determined that it was actually 2.2cm x 1.7cm x 1.5cm or something very close.  All I remember was 2.2cm.  Inside, it felt like a lead balloon. That wasn't 1.4cm  He said it did have a tail or extension and the MRI person probably just measure the roundness area. 

He said that radiation wasn't really an option, because of its size and my age, but it was my choice. The long term successfulness of radiation isn't yet known an regrowth is possible. He did say something that hit home with me. The first decision is usually your best chance at eliminating AN.  If they have to go back 10yrs from now it will be more dicey. He also said that while I have my hearing now, there isn't much of a possibility that it will be saved base on where it is.

So my options are TransLab or Retrosigmoid. Both approaches carry the same equivalent risk.  With Translab I'm sure to lose my hearing. With Retro, his said that the chances of hearing preservation is in the single digit %. He said i had a 70%-90% chance of no damage to the facial nerve.  The risk was the same either way I go.

More to come tonight. Thanks.
2.4cm AN removed, Retrosigmoid, 10/1/07
Memorial Hermann, Dr. Chang & Dr. Alp
lost hearing Lt side, paralysis Lt side hopefully temporary
recovered from the balance issues at about 4-6months

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2007, 02:45:06 pm »
Waypoint,

Welcome to the first day of your AN journey and resulting flood of information, both depressing, uplifting and contradictory. I don't know if you've had an opportunity to read my story, but I think my experience is pretty representative the path you've started on, as well as of everyone here, regardless of what treatment decision they ultimately made. The information you got today is something for you to consider, but also to challenge and seek out additional consults from experienced practioners. By the way, good for you to take your wife along. Mine went everywhere with me and having the second set of ears to write down information is invaluable. It is so easy to go into semi shock when you hear some things that it's easy to miss some critical stuff in the consult.

 I have heard some other folks discuss Dr. joseph Chang in Houston in the past and I'm willing to venture a guess that he is a otolaryngologist, which means his bread and butter way of treating AN patients is surgery. If that's not the case, I'm confused because his information on radiosurgery is so poor it would be hard to believe he actually practices it. One suggestion I would make is to go to the "ask the doctors" section of the CK patient support web site and paste your post for Dr. Medbery and Spunberg to comment on.

Now, I'm not a doctor , but I did stay in a Marriott Courtyard last night ( which I think is better than a holiday Inn express  ;)), so I'll offer my perspective on some of what you were told.

He said that radiation wasn't really an option, because of its size and my age, but it was my choice. Wrong - my AN was around 2.0x1.9x1.7 so it wasn't that significantly different from yours. The rule of thumb is that the ceiling for AN's being treated by radiosurgery is around 3 cm. I was 44 when I was treated and while 36 is younger, I don't think you would find any radiosurgeon that would see you being at any increased risk for anything becuase of your age.

The long term successfulness of radiation isn't yet known an regrowth is possible Not buying that one either. GK has been used on AN's since 1969 worldwide and since the late 80's in the US. That's about 40 and 20 years respectively and the studies continue to show a failure to control or regrowth rate of 2-3%. Most peer reviewed studies on surgery display figures between 5-10%. That covers a wide range of surgeon abilities and the extremely experienced ones like HEI are certainly closer to the 5 or better figure, but that puts them in the same ball park as the radiosurgery studies.

The first decision is usually your best chance at eliminating AN.  If they have to go back 10yrs from now it will be more dicey I think I understand this one, but based on the stats above, going back could happen in either case by some percentage odds and assuming the AN can't be zapped again, then surgery will have complications with scar tissue either way.

So my options are TransLab or Retrosigmoid. Both approaches carry the same equivalent risk.  With Translab I'm sure to lose my hearing. With Retro, his said that the chances of hearing preservation is in the single digit %. He said i had a 70%-90% chance of no damage to the facial nerve.  The risk was the same either way I go. yes, given the size of your AN and if you choose surgery, then those would be the two approaches used. Yes, translab would sacrifice hearing, but typically allows better access to the facial nerve than the retro approach, which also has a higher incidence of headaches following surgery. I don't remember you saying what your current hearing level is but I was given a 10-20% probability of saving mine with retro so his single digit number is pretty good. AN hearing preservation decreases with size in surgery, but size is less of a factor with radiosurgery. In terms of the facial nerve, I think the better description is "function", i.e. how does it work. Many surgeons grade their performance according to observable damage, most patients I know grade it by how it works after treatment. 70-90% is quite a range to almost be meaningless to me, but based on what I remember being quoted for a 2 cm, I would say the 70-75% range would be about right. The comparative figure for radiosurgery is around 98-99%, so even if hearing is not an issue and the facial nerve , as it should be, is the priority, that is something else to consider.

The long and short of the above is that you have gotten the first pieces of information to solve your personal puzzle, but I think you need to seek out some more to make sure your comfortable with your decision. Both options in the hands of expereinced people can have good outcomes and everybody I know on this site will be very supportive of whatever decision you make. I do think it is imperative to have doctors provide good, honest , accurate information to patients on both options and I get "miffed" when I see just flat out erroneous or biased info as this doctor gave you.

Good luck

Mark

CK for a 2 cm AN with Dr. Chang/ Dr. Gibbs at Stanford
November 2001

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2007, 05:20:44 pm »
Oh THANK YOU Mark for stepping up to the plate!  I suspect this is going to be an ongoing battle for years and years and years - surgical vs. radiosurgery....but it would be NICE if more doctors gave a balanced and informed options for AN patients.  Regrowth is possible after microsurgery, too.

It's a horrible position to be in when you have to question a doctor.  But you gotta look out for your own best interests and what you want to do.  Get a second opinion and a third if necessary to find out ALL the options open to you, Waypoint.  It's your AN, your head, your recovery, your choice.  In the end you may choose surgery over Ck/Gk...but as long as you are comfortable with that and that's what you want to do, then fine. But Mark is right - your doctor is not as informed as he should be regarding radiosurgical procedures.

Whew...I feel better!! ;D

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2007, 05:51:27 pm »
Thanks Sue, but you know me, I have a hard time not jumping on docs who give patients misleading info of any type  >:( ;)

Mark
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 09:36:20 pm »
I'll try to echo Mark's response a little more briefly.  :)

  "He said that radiation wasn't really an option, because of its size and my age, but it was my choice."
Also known as the "radiation is for old people and sick people" theory, which was the consensus back in 1991. Since then, there has been quite a bit of development in radiation, and it is now considered by many doctors to be the first choice for treating a range of small and medium ANs.

"The long term successfulness of radiation isn't yet known and regrowth is possible."
There are now good studies of 10 and 20 year control rates with GK and CK radiation. Regrowth is about equally possible with either surgery or radiation, with radiation down around the 2% range. The best control rates for surgery are with trans-lab; the other procedures have higher regrowth rates.

  "The first decision is usually your best chance at eliminating AN.  If they have to go back 10 yrs from now it will be more dicey."
That is true, whether you do radiation or surgery first. The tumors most likely to grow back are the more agressive ones, which will be more difficult to treat the second time because they are aggressive and infiltrate and get sticky, not because of how they were treated the first time.

And now some links, pasted from a post of mine a month ago. Some of the comparison data is pretty dated now, but it is a starting point.

U. of Pittsburg, on radiation and comparisons to surgery:
   http://www.acousticneuroma.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/index.html

House Clinic, on surgery, with some comparisions to radiation:
   http://www.houseearclinic.com/pro_acousticneuroma.htm

Cyberknife Patient Support Group:
http://www.cyberknifesupport.org/

CyberKnife at Seton Hospital in Austin, TX:
   http://www.seton.net/medical_services_and_programs/neurosciences/brain_and_spine_center/cyberknife__stereotactic_radio_surgery/

GammaKnife in Houston, TX:
   http://www.westhoustongamma.com/

AN Surgery at Baylor College of Medicine (nice set of 8 pics showing the steps of a trans-lab surgery):
   http://www.bcm.edu/oto/cfbd/ansurgbw.html#

Okay, not so brief. :)

If you take a little more time and gather more information, you will know when to make your choice, and we will be here to support you.

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: I was just diagnosed last week and am somewhat overwhelmed
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 10:14:12 pm »
waypoint -

as others have said, it's important to talk to docs who know the pros and cons of both radiation and surgery.  I opted for surgery, was very comfortable with my decision prior to surgery, and I continue to be comfortable with it after surgery.  Surgery was my choice, but I don't fault others for choosing radiation, or choosing to watch-and-wait if that is a possiblility for them.   

IMO, you should get all the information you can, talk to other doctors if you think it's necessary, and then make your decision based on your comfort level.  No one can say what is right for you, except you.

jan
 

 

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