Author Topic: Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy  (Read 6900 times)

CROOKEDSMILE

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 376
Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy
« on: August 19, 2009, 09:20:58 am »
I just got back from vacation in the smoky mountains in TN. which was fabulous and relaxing and then ended my trip at Vanderbilt with my facial therapist, exercises and botox. I asked the questions that have weighed heavily on my mind this entire time but didn't ask because I didn't want to hear the answers.

Q- Is synkinesis something that eventually goes away or is it here to stay......forever?
A- It is something that you will have forever but with therapy and botox we can control it to the best of our ability. The facial nerve was damaged and while regenerated it made a few bad turns hooking up to the wrong muscles in the face. That can't be changed.

Q-So once I retrain my facial muscles this isn't a permanent fix?
A-No. It is just like fitness training. Once you stop you can lose everything you gained. You will have to always do these exercises to keep things in check.

Q-Do you think that the facial nerve can recover any after the 2 year mark?
A-I believe that anything after the 2 year mark is pushing it. I believe it is pretty much done but then you have to focus on strengthening the muscles that did get reinnervated.

Q-What do you think about the new device the Orbex that is waiting on a patent before making it available on the market?
A-I believe that it is very similar to gum chewing and can't focus on the small/focused movements you need for strengthening and reducing unwanted synkinetic movements.

Q-What do you think about e-stim?
A-There is a lady in England who runs a clinic and she is claiming excellent results with her new method of providing e-stim. I got in contact with her but she was unwilling to divulge much information so it makes me wonder about it. We don't recommend it at all here.

Q-Why is insurance no longer covering my botox treatments. They used to but are now denying treatment?
A-For some reason they are doing this to alot of our patients and are calling it investigational treatment.

Q-What about myofascial release therapy?
A-Yes. I can see where this would be helpful in facial muscles that have not been moving for some time and the fascia around the muscles can tighten down over the muscles making them more difficult to move. I may get trained on this so that I can provide this service to my patients.

Sooooooooooo................not a great way to end a vacation but nonetheless I thoroughly enjoyed my time in the mountains to unwind and to forget about all of this mess.
Also........this is coming from MY therapist and I'm sure that every therapist won't agree and there are exceptions to every rule. I really am finding out that there are ALOT of unknowns with what is considered the proper treatment for facial paralysis and synkinesis and everyone has had different therapies that work for them. I really didn't want to hear that exercises and synkinesis would be FOREVER! She did say that hopefully with time the right muscles will gain strength and the exercises will become easier almost 2nd nature and instead of doing them 3 times a day I could get away with once a day and instead of botox every 3 months I could go longer without the injections so that is promising. I didn't realize that once you retrain the muscles to "act right" i.e. not allowing the mouth to move with each blink that it could come back if you didn't keep up with the exercises.............so it is something that we will battle for a very long time or we just learn to deal with the improper movements. That is a bit discouraging as I thought we could rewire the brain and once we taught it the "right" movements then we were done! Ugh.
Any comments, suggestions, advice or any new information that you guys heard at the meetings in Chicago are welcomed here.............Hopefully it will be better news than this.
Angie
Life is still VERY good.

4cm in Pacific Northwest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1324
Re: Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 09:45:42 am »
Angie,

Thanks for sharing this.

DHM
4cm Left, 08/22/07 R/S 11+ hr surgery Stanford U, Dr. Robert Jackler, Dr. Griffith Harsh, Canadian fellow Assist. Dr. Sumit Agrawal. SSD, 3/6 on HB facial scale, stick-on-eyeweight worked, 95% eye function@ 6 months. In neuromuscular facial retraining. Balance regained! Recent MRI -tumor receded!

Cheryl R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1824
Re: Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 10:50:14 am »
Very good info Angie!        I have some synkinesis and do know some of what I could be doing to help it and do not make the effort to work with on the basis it would take.            The tightness I do do some but not like I could be.         The hearing is more important to me than some of my face issues since I did improve alot.    I am older and am not working so around less people.                 I showed some a pic of me soon after my facial neuroma surgery in 2006.            I should have someone put it on here.                  I do think it is a very individual basis on what needs to be done to improve each person.              There do seem to be some who improve after 2 years.                           I hope things continue to improve for you.
                                                                     Cheryl R
Right mid fossa 11-01-01
  left tumor found 5-03,so have NF2
  trans lab for right facial nerve tumor
  with nerve graft 3-23-06
   CSF leak revision surgery 4-07-06
   left mid fossa 4-17-08
   near deaf on left before surgery
   with hearing much improved .
    Univ of Iowa for all care

moe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1697
Re: Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 02:01:44 pm »
Thanks for the info, Angie. Always interesting to hear about what you find out about facial things!
I'm not sure what myofascial release therapy is. Have you had this?
Maureen
06/06-Translab 3x2.5 vascular L AN- MAMC,Tacoma WA
Facial nerve cut,reanastomosed.Tarsorrhaphy
11/06. Gold weight,tarsorrhaphy reversed
01/08- nerve transposition-(12/7) UW Hospital, Seattle
5/13/10 Gracilis flap surgery UW for smile restoration :)
11/10/10 BAHA 2/23/11 brow lift/canthoplasty

Debbi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
  • Originator of the Magic Scarf
    • Debbi's AN Blog
Re: Answers from my facial retrainer re: synkinesis and therapy
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 04:54:04 pm »
HI Angie-

I sat in on a couple of facial sessions at the symposium and got the impression that NMFR therapy could produce lasting, permanent results.  Maybe I misunderstood - hopefully others who are further along can comment.

Debbi
Debbi - diagnosed March 4, 2008 
2.4 cm Right Side AN
Translab April 30, 2008 at NYU with Drs. Golfinos and Roland
SSD Right ear, Mild synkinesis and facial nerve damage
BAHA "installed" Feb 2011 by Dr. Cosetti @ NYU

http://debsanadventure.blogspot.com