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hurdle07

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Working with Health Insurance Provider
« on: March 07, 2008, 07:27:08 pm »
Somewhere in the ANA archives, I thought I read where others have suggested patients call their health insurance provider and asked to have a caseworker assigned to help us through the coverage issues.  Knowing that insurance companies are in business to make money, my initial thought was why would I want to bring this AN thing to their attention?   I realize that trying to fly under their radar would only get a patient so far, but by notifying them, wouldn't I be setting myself up for a battle?  My concern is that insurance company will be obstinant, manipulative, etc. right out of the gate.

For those that have already received treatment, do you suggest asking for a caseworker, or have you found it to be a bad idea? 
Would starting with insurance be the first step towards treatment?

thanks all.
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Partial hearing loss center frequencies.

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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 12:10:35 pm »
Usually when you start treatment the insurance will assign your case to a case manager when you go through the pre cert approval.  It is usually someone to coordinate your care and make sure you do not stay in the hospital any longer than they think you should.  I don't believe they would be a patient advocate since they do work for the insurance company.  Human resources is usually the patient advocate and not all companies offer a person specifically for insurance problems.  This of course is not helpful to those of us trying to figure it all out.  I think you should look into treatments decide on whcih way you would like to go and then discuss possible insurance issues so we can help address issues that may come up with that treatment.  Sorry I could not be more helpful.  16
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 04:16:42 pm »
IMO, once you are sure you are going to have treatment, be it surgery or radiation, I would definitely look into your insurance and what it will cover.  I don't know for sure about radiation, but I can tell you from experience that AN surgery is very costly.  It involves time in the hospital (cost of OR, room & board), an anesthesiologist, one or two doctors who are specialists, nursing staff, meds from the hospital that are charged at an inflated price, etc.  If my insurance wouldn't have covered my surgery, I would have been paying it off for a good number of years - provided the docs and hospital would have let me. 

I never used a case manager myself, but my insurance is provided by my employer and I do know the broker who "sells" us the insurance.  He is the one who negotiates our annual premiums, what our plan covers, etc.  I've known him for numerous years, so when I ran into problems with the insurance company that I couldn't solve myself, I called him.  He got the issues taken care of within a few hours.

I wish I had thought about a case manager because every time I called the insurance company - especially in the case of my BAHA coverage - I got a different rep and had to explain the entire situation to him/her.  It seemed that even when the rep "pulled my file", there was no documentation in it of previous conversations I had had with other reps.  I spent a lot of time repeating what it was I wanted to know, explaining what procedure I needed, and why I needed to have it.  If your insurance is through your employer, and you don't have access to your broker, your HR person might be a good resource.

Also, you may want to check with your doctor to see if he has someone on his staff who can help you deal with your insurance company.   I think most docs would be willing to personally help you with this, but they have so many other things they are doing that they tend to hand clerical tasks to their staffs.  Even after my insurance company said they'd pay for my AN surgery they had questions post op and said there were certain things they wouldn't pay for without further explanation.  Each time I called them to straighten things out, I found that my doc's office had already beaten me to the punch and solved the problem.  They had handled everything before I had even received my copy of the correspondence from the insurance company.

I don't think mentioning your AN to your insurance company would be setting yourself up for a battle.  They can't exactly question medical necessity if it's obvious that you have an AN.  They may try to limit your coverage, but your policy should pretty much spell out what your plan does or does not cover.  If they get difficult, you may need to be firm by persistent; don't take no for an answer.  Ask to talk to supervisors if necessary; a lot of "claims" people just tell you what they are told to tell you - they have no real authority.

I've found in the past when dealing with my insurance company, that you sometimes need to question them or tell them you want your case reviewed by someone who understands what you are requesting.  After my surgery, my insurance company questioned why I was in the hospital for 5, as opposed to 4, nights.  I asked them who decided that 4 nights was "reasonable & customary".  They told me that their independent reviewer had decided.  When I asked them the qualifications of this reviewer, I was told it was an internist.  When I pointed out that an internist who had never performed an AN surgery couldn't reasonably decide how much time I personally needed to recover, and insisted that they have my claim re-reviewed by a doc with qualifications comparable to my neurotologist and/or neurosurgeon, they changed their tune fairly fast.

Insurance companies like to hang onto their money as long as they can; lots of insureds unknowingly facilitiate this.  Make sure you stand up for yourself and your rights.

Best of luck; you'll get through this,

Jan


 
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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 05:56:46 pm »
Just wanted to say that it isn't always a battle. Depends on your insurance.  I've never had a problem.  The only time I've needed approval for anything was for Botox injections for headaches, since it is not yet approved for headache treatment. My doctor wrote a letter and they covered it. I am not in an HMO or managed care. I don't need a referral to go to a specialist. My husband's employer used to offer a managed care version for no extra cost but found out it actually cost more. Now, this is the no extra cost insurance offered by his company. 
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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 09:55:23 pm »
My own experience tells me that the insurance company will find out pretty soon anyway, so calling is fine. I called after my MRI and consultations; the first person I spoke to said "oh yes, I see those entries coming up." I told them it was an AN, and going to be a major medical, and they were okay with that. It happens. (By the way, Jan, radiation is probably very similar in cost to surgery; several doctors, extra scans, and the machines are big investments).

I am in a PPO (preferred provider organization). Since I wanted to do CK, I was going out of network, but the treatment center (Stanford) has people who specialize in making insurance arrangements (they would be called deals in regular businesses). The key was to get the number of the nurse practitioner at the insurance company, who supervises the claims adjusters, and to get copies of all reports from all doctors. Once the two of them had documentation on both ends and could speak to each other, the "arrangement" got made fairly quickly.

My impression is that most insurance companies are willing to deal with major medical, and that many of the snags have to do with the codes that things get filed under. There were two instances in my case; one was vestibular testing, which I think they had never heard of; the other was a clerical error by a new person. Often those things can get straightened out. If it is the case that the insurance company just plain doesn't cover a treatment, the case worker or supervisor can't do anything to change company policy. That kind of policy decision happens at a much higher level.

One example I have read about on this forum: if you ask your insurance company whether they cover hearing aids, they will often say no. If you ask whether they cover "prosthetic hearing devices", they will often say yes. Which one your BAHA gets coded as can make all the difference.

Since communication and transfer of information is so important, I think it is in your own interest to call the insurance company and get involved in the process.

Steve
8 mm left AN June 2007,  CK at Stanford Sept 2007.
Hearing lasted a while, but left side is deaf now.
Right side is weak too. Life is quiet.

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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 10:32:49 pm »
(By the way, Jan, radiation is probably very similar in cost to surgery; several doctors, extra scans, and the machines are big investments).

One example I have read about on this forum: if you ask your insurance company whether they cover hearing aids, they will often say no. If you ask whether they cover "prosthetic hearing devices", they will often say yes. Which one your BAHA gets coded as can make all the difference.

Steve


Thanks, Steve.  I had the feeling that radiation was probably similar in cost to surgery, but I wasn't entirely sure.  It makes perfect sense due to the factors you point out - specialized docs, costly equipment, etc.

Also - good point about the BAHA.  Most insurance companies typically don't cover hearing aides, so the distinction must be made that the BAHA isn't a hearing aide, it is an implant.  My insurance (a conventional plan w/a PPO network that you can use to save yourself money) won't pay for hearing aides.  But they do cover Cochlears and cochlear surgery; therefore, we got them to agree to cover my BAHA and my BAHA surgery. 

Jan
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Left AN 3.0 cm (1.5 cm @ diagnosis 6 wks prior) SSD. BAHA implant 3/4/08 (Dr. Battista) Divino 6/4/08  BP100 4/2010 BAHA 5 8/2015

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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 12:28:35 pm »
So far I''ve had just the one consult a few days after being diagnosed...I was pretty distraught at the time so it really wasn't a consult.  Maybe I should call the Insurance Co. before the next consult and see what they say. 

BTW, regarding comments about the BAHA...does anyone know if insurance would cover it for patients who don't choose surgery?
AN 14mm x 10mm x 11mm, left side,
diagnosed December 2007,
Partial hearing loss center frequencies.

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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 05:34:14 pm »

BTW, regarding comments about the BAHA...does anyone know if insurance would cover it for patients who don't choose surgery?

hurdle -

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.  Are you asking if you could get a BAHA if you choose to treat your AN with radiation instead of surgery? 

Jan 
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Left AN 3.0 cm (1.5 cm @ diagnosis 6 wks prior) SSD. BAHA implant 3/4/08 (Dr. Battista) Divino 6/4/08  BP100 4/2010 BAHA 5 8/2015

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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 05:33:53 pm »
I guess what I'm trying to understand is, if a person chooses surgery where there is little to no chance of hearing preservation, than it would be very convenient to have the implant attached while the surgeon is in there.  The two (BAHA and surgery) seem to go hand in hand and I initially figured the BAHA was for patients with SSD.  I'm wondering if it's applicable to people with partial hearing after GK, CK, etc.  It appears I misread Steve's post thinking that he got the BAHA after CK.

thanks.
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diagnosed December 2007,
Partial hearing loss center frequencies.

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 06:52:47 pm »
hurdle -

your question is a good one.  Some docs, when they know you are going to have no hearing left from the AN surgery, will actually do the BAHA implant at the same time.  There are several members on this forum who had that scenario - Ellis (1wareagle) comes to mind and I know there are others.

In my case I chose retrosigmoid hoping to save my hearing since I had 90% word recognition in my AN ear.  I knew going into it that the docs might or might be able to save my partial hearing, but I figured if there was a chance they could, why not go for it.

Unfortunately prior to my surgery, my AN had a very rapid growth spurt (very unusual) but no one realized that because I didn't have a 2nd MRI pre op - mainly because it was only 6 weeks between my MRI and my surgery.  Due to the rapid growth, my AN was wrapped around my hearing nerve and in order to remove all of it, my hearing nerve was damaged.  So my BAHA surgery was done 9 months after my AN surgery.  Had I known originally that I would lose all my hearing, I would have asked the docs to do both surgeries at the same time, but I have to say that doing the BAHA implant separately was no big deal - definitely a piece of cake compared to the retrosigmoid.

I know that a BAHA is appropriate any time someone has unilateral deafness (SSD), whether it's the result of surgery, GK, CK, other ear damage, or if it's congenital.  But, I'm not sure that its used for partial hearing loss; I think it has to be total.   However, I could be wrong ; someone please correct me if I am.

To my knowledge, Steve doesn't have a BAHA - he just likes to joke around with those of us who do.  But you never know, he may be so jealous one of these days that he can't use Dawn and a toothbrush while shampooing that he may just decide to join our "BAHA club" ;D  LOL

Jan


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Re: Working with Health Insurance Provider
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 10:17:54 pm »
No BAHA for me. So far, I still have some hearing left on the left side. A normal hearing aid may be in my future, we shall see.

However, I see no reason why an insurance company would turn down a BAHA if you did lose your hearing in the AN side, just because you had radiation instead of surgery. Why should your method of treatment make a difference? Hopefully they would recognize that either method might save the hearing, and that you could lose it in either case as well. It is really the fault of the AN, not the treatment.

Jan is right though; I do like the sound of a BAHA, and all the accessories involved, so maybe I can get my ENT to recommend one anyway.  :D

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 11:03:41 pm »
I posted this somewhere else that I can't remember, but I'll post it here too.

My original plan for surgery was to get the BAHA at the same time as the translab. But I still have my hearing intact so I can't do the workup that is done before BAHA surgery. I may not like the BAHA. So I will wait until I heal from the AN surgery to test the BAHA, then decide if I like it or not. Having a 3rd surgery to remove the BAHA doesn't sound like a good plan for me.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2008, 07:29:30 am »
Having a 3rd surgery to remove the BAHA doesn't sound like a good plan for me.

Syl

Syl -

I understand your BAHA plans and they make sense; in fact,  I responded to your other post.

Just wanted to say, that to my knowledge, if someone doesn't like the BAHA implant after the fact, there is no surgery to "remove" it.  You would simply leave the fixture in your skull and not wear the processor.  I seem to recall my doc saying that eventually your scalp would grow over the fixture and it would just leave a little bump where the fixture is implanted.   He also told me that he's done over 200 BAHA surgeries and so far only 1 patient has decided it just wasn't for her and stopped wearing the processor completely.  I thought that was a pretty good statistic  :)

Jan
Retrosig 5/31/07 Drs. Battista & Kazan (Hinsdale, Illinois)
Left AN 3.0 cm (1.5 cm @ diagnosis 6 wks prior) SSD. BAHA implant 3/4/08 (Dr. Battista) Divino 6/4/08  BP100 4/2010 BAHA 5 8/2015

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