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jwporter

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9 Months out and life still sucks.
« on: August 17, 2012, 08:25:09 pm »
Well folks, I pretty much want to throw in the towel. I wake up with head and neck pain. I still can't bend without my head hurting. I can't pick up my 5 month son when he is on the ground. I have headaches throughout the day. I can't jump without my head hurting. I can't run without my head hurting. I can't laugh to hard without my head hurting. And if I sneeze.....oh GOD when I sneeze - it feels like rusty nails pounding into my neck and brain.

MRI and MRA's read fine. They say all the pain is probably from the surgery and they don't have any other real explanation.

I'm only able to work part time because of all this and this has caused a financial strain. I had a great high paying job and now we rely on my wife's teacher salary and family support. My wife really wanted to stay home with the baby, but can't now, because my pain is so sporadic. I have some good days, maybe 2 or 3 times a month, but that's it.

I'm just so angry because I'm young (just turned 29) and I had a decent life before this surgery. I worked out, socialized alot, and was looking forward to being a very active father.  I wish the doctors would have warned me about all of this. I don't know what to do anymore. I just want to give up.  :'(


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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 08:58:54 pm »
((((((Hugs)))))). I don't know what to say other than we are here for you, I can't pretend to know what you are going through, but hope that it improves for you soon.

Becky
7mm x 5 mm Left AN, diagnosed 2/9/12
7mm x 6 mm  8/12
9mm x 7 mm  8/13
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Mei Mei

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 09:43:44 pm »
I was in your shoes with the headaches and still have neck pain but the headaches are debilitating.   All I can say is go to see Dr. Ducic in Plastic Surgery at Georgetown and Dr. Maureen Moriarity at Georgetown Neurology.   They will help you
Mei Mei
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Post surgical Headaches and Tinnitus
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Dr. Schwartz GW  Titanium Mesh  March 2012
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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 09:56:27 pm »
JW - Sorry to hear it. You state " they " say the pain is from surgery. Who exactly are "they?" Your surgeon? Your primary? Your neurologist?
I searched for and read all your posts. Nowhere did I find where you had your surgery, or who the surgeon was or why you chose that doctor.  I ask this because the causes of post-op headaches after AN removal are many and they may be addressed. My surgeon believes retrosigmoid approaches can cause headaches because they transect the occipital nerves. He uses a simplified retrosigmoid, or minimally invasive method, which makes the incision between the lesser and greater occipital nerves so he transects neither nerve and headaches are not a problem for his patients ( he has performed 600 AN's and 1000 meningioma's many of which are in the CP angle.)
Here is an abstract of a recent paper by Dr Ducic which I found with a quick internet search regarding occipital nerve injury from AN removals. I do not know if this is the source of your problems or not, but it is a start in finding what you can do. If your present physicians have no idea what to do, find other physicians.

Keywords:

acoustic neuroma;
headache;
nerve injury;
occipital neuralgia;
peripheral nerve surgery;
postoperative headache



Objective.— To demonstrate that occipital nerve injury is associated with chronic postoperative headache in patients who have undergone acoustic neuroma excision and to determine whether occipital nerve excision is an effective treatment for these headaches.


Background.— Few previous reports have discussed the role of occipital nerve injury in the pathogenesis of the postoperative headache noted to commonly occur following the retrosigmoid approach to acoustic neuroma resection. No studies have supported a direct etiologic link between the two. The authors report on a series of acoustic neuroma patients with postoperative headache presenting as occipital neuralgia who were found to have occipital nerve injuries and were treated for chronic headache by excision of the injured nerves.


Methods.— Records were reviewed to identify patients who had undergone surgical excision of the greater and lesser occipital nerves for refractory chronic postoperative headache following acoustic neuroma resection. Primary outcomes examined were change in migraine headache index, change in number of pain medications used, continued use of narcotics, patient satisfaction, and change in quality of life. Follow-up was in clinic and via telephone interview.


Results.— Seven patients underwent excision of the greater and lesser occipital nerves. All met diagnostic criteria for occipital neuralgia and failed conservative management. Six of 7 patients experienced pain reduction of greater than 80% on the migraine index. Average pain medication use decreased from 6 to 2 per patient; 3 of 5 patients achieved independence from narcotics. Six patients experienced 80% or greater improvement in quality of life at an average follow-up of 32 months. There was one treatment failure. Occipital nerve neuroma or nerve entrapment was identified during surgery in all cases where treatment was successful but not in the treatment failure.


Conclusion.— In contradistinction to previous reports, we have identified a subset of patients in whom the syndrome of postoperative headache appears directly related to the presence of occipital nerve injuries. In patients with postoperative headache meeting diagnostic criteria for occipital neuralgia, occipital nerve excision appears to provide relief of the headache syndrome and meaningful improvement in quality of life. Further studies are needed to confirm these results and to determine whether occipital nerve injury may present as headache types other than occipital neuralgia. These findings suggest that patients presenting with chronic postoperative headache should be screened for the presence of surgically treatable occipital nerve injuries.







Postoperative Headache Following Acoustic Neuroma Resection: Occipital Nerve Injuries Are Associated With a Treatable Occipital Neuralgia

Ivica Ducic MD, PhD*,
John M. Felder III MD,
Matthew Endara MD

Article first published online: 1 FEB 2012

DOI: 10.1111/j.1526-4610.2011.02068.x

© 2012 American Headache Society

Before giving up, pursue other physicians who do have ideas. Again, I have no idea if occipital nerve injury happened in your case. But maybe presenting your history to another professional might provide some insights into your case as to the cause.  Good luck.
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4.7 cm x 3.6 cm x 3.2 cm vestibular schwannoma
Simplified retrosigmoid @ Cleveland Clinic 10/06/2011
Rt SSD, numbness, vocal cord and swallowing problems
Vocal cord and swallowing normalized at 16 months. Numbness persists.
Regrowth 09/19/2016
GK 10/12/2016 Cleveland Clinic
facial weakness Jan 2017

jwporter

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 10:56:06 pm »
Thanks for the info.

I had my tumor removed at Froedert Hospital in Milwaukee. The doctors were Dr. Steve Harvey (ENT) and Dr. Grant Sinson (Neurologist). My tumor was pretty small, 1.75 cm I believe.  I believe they did the retrosmogid approach as they went through the neck area.

I have had Harvey, and another Neurologist (Dr. Jonathan Florczak) from Froedtert review my scans. I actually had a MRI and MRA. The MRI was for the follow up and the MRI (as well as the second MRI) was done to see if I had any anyurisms. They scanned the blood vessels in my neck as well, but did not find anything.

I will look more closely at what you posted. And thanks again for everyone's encouragement; I just had to vent. It's been a rough week.

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 01:17:52 pm »
       I am sorry to hear about your pain and suffering it sounds difficult. My surgery did not go well and I also suffered from headaches and other complications. Now, 10 months later I am doing much better and getting back to Life even wearing my Life Is Good tee shirt again. Feel free to vent any time we understand.I hope and pray that you will find relief soon.     Peace Dave
3yr wait and watch on left sided 2.9cm AN is over surgery 11/4/2011 Mckenna/Barker at MGH one year MRI 11/12/2012 all clear

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 10:20:48 pm »
JW, if your neck pain is due to a very stiff neck (i.e., you feel like you have limited range of motion in your neck), you might try a homeopathic remedy called aconitum napellus. Dunno if it'll help you, but it helped my stiff neck (not caused by surgery). It's absolutely critical that you take it as directed: eat no food and drink no liquid for 30 minutes beforehand or afterwards, and take it every two hours for only one day.
 Even more important, you must be sure you are taking the homeopathic aconitum napellus, not the whole herb. The whole herb is deadly poisonous, whereas the homeopathic preparation -- which is exponentially diluted (about the same concentration as a pinch of salt in the Atlantic Ocean) -- is safe and sold over the counter at health-food stores.

I am not a doctor and can't predict this will help you. But it helped me and might bring you some relief for your neck. It won't help your headaches, though.

Best wishes,
TW
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21x13x11 mm @ CK treatment 7/11/08 (Drs. Chang & Gibbs, Stanford)
21x15x13 mm in 12/08 (5 months post-CK), widespread necrosis, swelling
12x9x6 mm, Nov. 2017; shrank ~78% since treatment!
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 04:44:00 pm »
Hi Dave - I havent seen a post from you in awhile - glad to hear you are doing well.  Best wishes.
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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 09:31:16 pm »
JW,

You have already received some very good advice here. I wanted to add some input, as well. I know how frustrating the health issues can be, especially early on in your treatment.

Although I did not have surgery, I had headaches VERY badly following my radiation for quite a while. Granted, I had a history of headaches in my past, but had not had them in many years until after AN treatment. As a matter of fact, my first head pain started the day of my GK treatment, most likely due to medication and the head frame. I was later referred to a headache specialist at a major university hospital which took 11 months for a first appt. with him! Needless to say, he was quite popular. However, once in with him, you could get an appt. right away, if needed. He was great and offered much help in regard to the headaches. Also, prior to seeing him, I went on and off steroids to relieve the head pain and they always helped. I will say my headaches are not at all like they were in the first couple of years. I sincerely hope that the pain you are experiencing now is going to be significantly improved as time goes by. Also, I don't think it would hurt to see a neurologist who specializes in headaches only. As so many individuals suffer from headaches, they usually have a big practice. Just a thought....



Windy
* Diagnosed w/AN (9mm x 11mm x 9mm) - 6-10-08
* GK @ UPMC w/Dr. Lunsford - 8-5-08
* Stable MRI - Aug. 2009
* 2 MM's Growth - Aug. 2010
* Lost 60% Hearing - Dec. 2010
* More Growth?? - Wait & Watch - Jan. 2012
* 1 MM Shrinkage - Aug. 2012
* 2 MM's Shrinkage - Aug. 2013
* Slight Shrinkage - Aug. 2014

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 12:48:46 pm »
Your feelings make sense and you ARE in a difficult time of your life to have debilitating headaches.  The responses were great and I hope you are able to find a medical team specializing in this type of pain so they can figure this out with you.  Please let us know how it goes. 

Karen
.7cm, left side AN , Tinnitus, Hearing preserved, Middle Fossa 8/1/12 at HEI, Drs Friedman and Schwartz, Sharing your story is extremely helpful to me.

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 10:22:31 pm »
Don't do that. I'm two years post op. But really 9 months isn't alot of time for your brain to recoup. I have heart for you, I have had so many things happen that I wasn't ready for after surgery..stick with with it,I got a massage on my neck and it helped my neck pain. I want to say so much but not sure about how to say it, I'm a better talker than blogger:-)


Well folks, I pretty much want to throw in the towel. I wake up with head and neck pain. I still can't bend without my head hurting. I can't pick up my 5 month son when he is on the ground. I have headaches throughout the day. I can't jump without my head hurting. I can't run without my head hurting. I can't laugh to hard without my head hurting. And if I sneeze.....oh GOD when I sneeze - it feels like rusty nails pounding into my neck and brain.

MRI and MRA's read fine. They say all the pain is probably from the surgery and they don't have any other real explanation.

I'm only able to work part time because of all this and this has caused a financial strain. I had a great high paying job and now we rely on my wife's teacher salary and family support. My wife really wanted to stay home with the baby, but can't now, because my pain is so sporadic. I have some good days, maybe 2 or 3 times a month, but that's it.

I'm just so angry because I'm young (just turned 29) and I had a decent life before this surgery. I worked out, socialized alot, and was looking forward to being a very active father.  I wish the doctors would have warned me about all of this. I don't know what to do anymore. I just want to give up.  :'(

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 11:43:55 am »
How are you?  We are here and we care.

Karen
.7cm, left side AN , Tinnitus, Hearing preserved, Middle Fossa 8/1/12 at HEI, Drs Friedman and Schwartz, Sharing your story is extremely helpful to me.

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 01:18:14 pm »
Again, thanks everyone.

It's been a year now and I still have pain. But it's been a little better. I still wake up with headpain, no matter how I arrange the pillows, but it doesn't last as long. I still can't bend down without pain, nor can I run or jump, but I hope to one day.

Dizziness has returned for some reason; could it be the weather? I live in Wisconsin, and it's starting to get cold. It's so annoying. Especially if I turn my head quickly.

All in all, I guess I'm better than when I started, maybe 65%.

Thanks for all the positive thoughts and encouragement. It has meant a lot to me.

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 01:50:10 pm »
Thank you for your update letting us know things are better than they were. I hope for even more improvement for you over this next year.

Karen
.7cm, left side AN , Tinnitus, Hearing preserved, Middle Fossa 8/1/12 at HEI, Drs Friedman and Schwartz, Sharing your story is extremely helpful to me.

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Re: 9 Months out and life still sucks.
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2012, 04:03:23 pm »
Hey JW-
I too have experienced other thn I expected after surgery/treatment.  Don't throw in the towel-we have no choice but to plug away.  I took heart from the group member who advised nine months is not a long time after surgery for the brain to recoup and regroup. I started walking today and am dealing with my watery eye and I guess the wonkiness or is that the balance issue and the   Fullheadedness.  Maybe tomorrow will be better. Let's pray and stay positive.  Millie