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katmac36

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Terrible headaches! What to do?
« on: June 04, 2012, 05:33:09 pm »
Hello everyone!! I am 9 months post-op Translab. About 3 or 4 months ago I started having worse than usual headaches that do not go away. They last for days at a time and I never feel "well". I just dealt with it thinking it would get better over time. It is now starting to affect my life. I have a hard time working and taking care of my kids. I have been reading a lot of the posts on here and am seeing my solutions. I had my surgery at HEI and live in Georgia. Should I even bother calling them? I have a feeling they will not be able to do much for me. I am seeing my PCP tomorrow, but who knows what they will say. At least give me a stronger med than advil and aleve. Should I make my next step a neurologist or go straight to a headache specialist like so many others here? I am going under the assumption that this is just normal post AN headache issues and not a bigger problem that I am ignoring. Any ideas or suggestions??? Thanks!!

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 05:43:40 pm »
Hi, katmac36,

I'm sorry you are suffering with headaches.  Even if House can't help you, I think it's important to let them know that you are having issues.  They may need to go look at their notes from your treatment, to figure out what refinements they need to make to their process.  I'm having translab with them in less than a month, so I'm not unbiased about this.

I hope you can find some relief.  At 5 to 6 months post-op, when your headaches started, I would not think they are necessarily related to your AN surgery, but others may have better insight.  Please do call House and let them know.

Who were your surgeons?

Liz
8/20/2010 - 9mm AN on left side 
Fullness, tinnitus, mild hearing loss
2/20/2011 - 8mm
4/20/2012 - 12.4 mm
Moderate to severe hearing loss, LOUD tinnitus, deteriorating balance
Facial numbness and twitching, which subsided pre-surgery
Translab at House, 7/3/2012, Slattery and Schwartz

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 09:09:08 pm »
Go straight to a headache neurologist. Try to find out exactly what is causing your particular headache. I spent years trying to treat my severe headaches. The fix turned out to be fairly simple. Pain causing nerves between my scalp and skull had been damaged and were trapped in my scar. One was close to a superficial artery and that was unbearable at times. I had surgery with a peripheral nerve surgeon at Georgetown University. Life is much better.

This might not be your problem but it would be worth ruling out. I have a copy of a research paper that I would be happy to send you. If you want it, send me a private email and include your email address. I will send you the paper. Take the paper to your doctor and maybe they can tell if this is they type of headache you are having.

Janet
Surgical removal of 1 cm x .8 cm x .6 AN on 4/2004.

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2012, 03:52:27 am »
Kat

There is another long-term user on this site, CaptDeb, who had her surgery at HEI years ago... and lives in NC.  She was diagnosed, post surgery, with cluster headaches.  She has been on meds, had nerve blocks, etc.  "Individual results may vary" as to whether or not these headache treatment options will work.

The key is a neurologist as they deal with nerve pain.  I have a headache specialist here in Boston (a neurologist) as my headaches are related to a different head diagnosis (not my AN) and we have had to play around with meds and such.

There is no clear answer as to what will help curb the headaches but, as previously noted, you can let HEI know that you are enduring post-surgical headaches, much like CaptDeb did (you will find many of her headache posts here) but it's a neurologist (which most headache specialists are) that will help find a protocol to help you deal with what you are enduring.  HEI (or other AN treating teams) deal with the tumor itself and may follow along for post surgical issues... but the specialist (neurologist) will be the one to work with you directly to help with the pain.

Hope that made sense.  Hang in there!
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katmac36

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2012, 06:37:08 am »
Thanks everyone!! Janet, my surgeons were Luxford and Luckovich. They were fantastic. I can't say enough good things about HEI and my whole experience out there. I will try to call them today. I am seeing my PCP in about an hour and will try to figure out which direction to go from here. I just need some relief. Thanks again!!

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 07:01:14 am »
Definitely who have to let the doctors at HEI.. know and for this to happen so many months after surgery you need to see a local neurologist and maybe have another MRI to make sure all looks good. I had several MRI's after my surgery before it finally went to yearly ... Wishing you good luck and hoping it is a simple fix and can find a solution to your headaches. I did not have tinnitus until 3 months after my surgery which is quite odd most have it before or soon after but have suffered with headaches right after surgery ...

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Approach surgery July of 2009, several problems after surgery.

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 12:55:28 pm »
Hi katmac....I'm about 10 months post op. I think you and I touched base last summer before we both had our surgery. I also went to HEI (from VT) though I had middle fossa surgery. My headaches started in December, so we have had a similar trajectory. I also think the world of HEI, but I think there is something that happens during surgery that is the underlying problem. I've read through all my operation report and there's absolutely nothing out of the ordinary (well, as far as I can understand the medical jargon that is.) And, when I called them, I was kindly told that once it is 'chronic' ie not immediately postop, they can't really do anything about it. But I agree that HEI should have the info/feedback from patients. I don't know about you, but I never had headaches before the surgery. I know how you feel, I do. It's absolutely corrosive to your sense of wellbeing and happiness and productivity.  Some days I just want to crawl into a hole. I'm lucky in that for the most part, advil, tylenol or aleve knocks it back enough to function, but God only knows what those drugs are doing to my organs. Will you check back in after you talk to your doc? Funnily enough, tomorrow is when I have my appointment with the neuro headache clinic up here (I've been trying to get an appointment since Feb!) and I'm hoping they have some experience with the potential nerve damage or entrapment from the surgery that might be the cause of the headache pain. I will let you know on this thread what they tell me. I have gotten so much good info from this forum and I think the more we can share what we learn, the more likely they'll figure out how to remove those tumors without the long term problems. Best of luck with your appointment and here's hoping....
Leslie
4mmx9mm  right side
diagnosed 6/11/11
middle fossa  7/25/11 at HEI
developed chronic headaches at 5 months post op

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 12:02:20 pm »
katmac and Lesliegc,

Did either of you have any titanium mesh placed in your surgery?

I'm heading to HEI in a few weeks and wondering whether I have any choices I need to make about what they do and don't do, during my surgery.

Also, if people have headaches and other problems after translab, how much safer is it than mid fossa or retro, really?

Liz
8/20/2010 - 9mm AN on left side 
Fullness, tinnitus, mild hearing loss
2/20/2011 - 8mm
4/20/2012 - 12.4 mm
Moderate to severe hearing loss, LOUD tinnitus, deteriorating balance
Facial numbness and twitching, which subsided pre-surgery
Translab at House, 7/3/2012, Slattery and Schwartz

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 01:07:56 pm »
Lizann
No titatnium mesh here....in reading the operation report, it's just the abdominal fat graft, the bone flap, and then sutures. I don't know the safety issues necessarily--I know I chose middle fossa because I wanted to preserve my hearing, which was only minimally diminished in the higher ranges. And, (ironically, considering...) HEI does more middle fossa it seems than retrosigmoid presumably because the latter can cause more headaches. Best of luck with your operation.
4mmx9mm  right side
diagnosed 6/11/11
middle fossa  7/25/11 at HEI
developed chronic headaches at 5 months post op

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 01:13:38 pm »
Lizann
No titatnium mesh here....in reading the operation report, it's just the abdominal fat graft, the bone flap, and then sutures. I don't know the safety issues necessarily--I know I chose middle fossa because I wanted to preserve my hearing, which was only minimally diminished in the higher ranges. And, (ironically, considering...) HEI does more middle fossa it seems than retrosigmoid presumably because the latter can cause more headaches. Best of luck with your operation.

Yeah, that is ironic.  Thanks.

How is your hearing, post mid-fossa?
8/20/2010 - 9mm AN on left side 
Fullness, tinnitus, mild hearing loss
2/20/2011 - 8mm
4/20/2012 - 12.4 mm
Moderate to severe hearing loss, LOUD tinnitus, deteriorating balance
Facial numbness and twitching, which subsided pre-surgery
Translab at House, 7/3/2012, Slattery and Schwartz

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 03:29:57 pm »
Lizann
No titatnium mesh here....in reading the operation report, it's just the abdominal fat graft, the bone flap, and then sutures. I don't know the safety issues necessarily--I know I chose middle fossa because I wanted to preserve my hearing, which was only minimally diminished in the higher ranges. And, (ironically, considering...) HEI does more middle fossa it seems than retrosigmoid presumably because the latter can cause more headaches. Best of luck with your operation.

Yeah, that is ironic.  Thanks.

How is your hearing, post mid-fossa?

Well, it isn't what it was, but it's certainly functional. I lost about 20% overall, but in the super high registers I lost 80%. I don't use that ear on the phone anymore, and I have a hard time understanding what people are saying if there is a lot of ambient noise. But I'm thankful I didn't lose more.
4mmx9mm  right side
diagnosed 6/11/11
middle fossa  7/25/11 at HEI
developed chronic headaches at 5 months post op

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 04:14:30 pm »
I'm rather late to the party, but I haven't been here for a while! Anyway, I just wanted to throw in my own experience. I was having MIND-NUMBINGLY bad headaches for a few years before my tumor was diagnosed. Post-op (middle fossa) I started having an additional type of headache, this one centered at the craniotomy site and radiating out. I'm three years out and I STILL have these headaches, along with the original type, which is presumably a variant of migraines. NOTHING helps the 'craniotomy headaches' other than heavy duty pain meds. For the migraine variant, Imitrex or Relpax, along with hydrocodone take the edge off. I should mention that I have an unnaturally high pain tolerance--so when I say I'm in agony...it'd take down an average elephant!  :o


Middle fossa craniotomy 04/08/09, Drs Brackmann, Schwartz, et al, St Vincent/HEI in Los Angeles.

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Re: Terrible headaches! What to do?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 12:11:06 pm »
DLM--you sound like you could be a candidate for Botox for your craniotomy headaches--it is now FDA-approved for head pain/migraine, so it should be covered by insurance--it not, put up a big fight and get your neuro to contact them.

Katmac--I first set up an appt with a local neurologist in my small town--his first recommendation was Botox, but my insurance company (BCBS) refused to cover it so we started trying different meds, none of which really worked.  After 2 1/2 years he sent me to a headache clinic, who gave me a bunch of trigger point injections in my head which gave me some short-term relief until some of the meds kicked in--meds for nerve pain have to be titrated and take a while to provide relief.  I took a cocktail of gabapentin (Neurontin) and a few other generics which I can't remember the names of. 

I was also able to attend an ANA symposium and go to a headache clinic and after a little one-on-one with one of the presenting docs, I convinced my headach doc to let me try Topamax--a drug I had tried to take twice before, but I found the side effects intolerable.  The Symposium doc told me my titration had been too fast and when I slowed it down I was able to get on the drug and gabapentin and Neurontin became my cocktail for the next few years, which gave me some relief, but I was still getting a brainwreck from once a week to a few times a month (as opposed to being in bed crying most of the time)and I had a nagging low grade headache most of the time.  I was still unable to do anything involving physical activity like hiking, kayaking, sailing boogie-boarding, or any of the fun stuff that my former self enjoyed, including working as a painter of large landscapes.

Meanwhile, I finally got disability and Medicare which has a very low deductible and headed right to my local pain clinic for a series of occipital nerve blocks.  I went to the beach and went boogie-boarding! I started working again for a minimum of 4 hrs a day.  Unfortunately your head can only take so much depo-medrol, so I started Botox, also approved by Medicare--what a difference!

So here's where the benefit of this forum comes in.  If I had a do-over, I  would by-pass all the crap I went through and try to find a headache clinic, OR a neurologist who can administer Botox injections.  When I was offered Botox the first time, I would have gone for it, even though my insurance wouldn't cover it.  I would have saved a whole lot of time and money  spent on drugs that didn't work well, not to mention gas mileage on the 4 hr trip to the headache clinic.

Botox is also used as a diagnostic--if it doesn't work on your pain, something else is going on.  Also opiod drugs like hydrocodone, oxycodone, work for a while, but they also trigger rebound headaches.  And never never take NSAIDS like Advil without food.  I have a permanently ruined stomach lining from NSAID overuse and they also cause rebound headaches.

Lately, I have stopped Botox after 2 years, rarely have a brainwreck that Injectable Imitrex doesn't take care of, and have had a chiropractor working on my neck.  I have a twisted vertebrae that never showed up on any of my neck MRI's (lying down with comfy neck support in Tube O' Gloom didn't show it.) Chiropractor took 4-5 xrays with me sitting up and even I can see that it's a little wonky.  He's been slowly ooching it back in place and I notice less neck pain and less headaches. (Note: I went originally to chiro on the advice of my pain specialist who I see for my back pain)

Point being......(sorry this is so lengthy) all of our headaches come from multiple issues and it's like a Chinese menu of causes.  Order some CD transcripts from the ANA symposium headache workshops--$10 plus a few bucks shipping and worth every penny.  My favorite is Dr Leonetti at the Chicago 2009.  Read all you can of the past topics.  Definitely call House and find a neurologist or pain clinic doc. The House docs are used to out of town patients who can't just drop in for follow-ups and are glad to speak with our health care providers.

Best of luck to you,

Capt Deb



 
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