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AN Community => AN Community => Topic started by: arizonajack on July 08, 2013, 07:19:02 pm
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$45 this year.
$40 last year.
A little annoying.
I just hope it isn't a trend.
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I know no one likes to see prices increase, but the amount of info here is well worth $45 a year.
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I have to agree with Prisca.
This is a small amount to pay for the wealth of information and networking.
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Just wanted to add that this forum would not exist, if it were not for the wonderful work of the Acoustic Neuroma Association, which takes money to operate ..... to say nothing of the cost of maintaining an excellent and up-to-date web site!
Clarice
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$60.00 if you live in Canada, and that was prior to the increase. When I renewed in the spring I was told rates would be going up.
I compare it to buying snow tires or putting a new roof on the house - it's just something you gotta do! I greatly appreciate that folks from other countries have access to such a great site and I honestly believe it's worth every dollar!
Cathie.
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May I interject something here?
If it were not for the wealth of understanding that we all get from just the camarderie of discussing things. we all would be out there on our own stressing about this particular treatment or that. This site has saved me immeasurable amounts of time ( time I lost researching for 6 months on the first go round in 2004) and has saved my family( in 2012) from being pulled apart by my individual stress so I, for one don't see why a $5.00 increase is so incredibly hard to bear? The value has proven itself to be there time and time again!!
This proves that as a group we stand strong together waving a mighty AN Flag then apart, alone and isolated waving our arms to get attention from Big Medical Complexes and being overwhelmed (and drowning) at how much information at how much information there is to process.
Keep on going ANA you have fans galore!
Mike
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$45 this year.
$40 last year.
A little annoying.
I just hope it isn't a trend.
Jack ~
No one likes to see prices rise but I don't recall the ANA dues being raised for a few years. However, costs inevitably rise, necessitating a small increase. ANA membership is voluntary but put in perspective, $45. per year is just under 87ยข per week for the information available, including the Discussion Forums. I find that a reasonable cost and, unlike gas prices, not annoying at all.
Jim
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All those responses would be OK if it were just ANA that had an increase. But everywhere I turn, costs are going up and every increase is "justified" by the people making the increase and accepted by people who don't think an $X increase is a lot of money for a "worthy" cause.
Well, it's a 12.5% increase, folks. How would you feel if all the "important" things in your lives cost 12.5% more than it did last year? Are any of you making 12.5% more money than you made last year? I'm not.
Even ANA is subject to the basic laws of economics. When prices go up, demand comes down.
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All those responses would be OK if it were just ANA that had an increase. But everywhere I turn, costs are going up and every increase is "justified" by the people making the increase and accepted by people who don't think an $X increase is a lot of money for a "worthy" cause.
Well, it's a 12.5% increase, folks. How would you feel if all the "important" things in your lives cost 12.5% more than it did last year? Are any of you making 12.5% more money than you made last year? I'm not.
Even ANA is subject to the basic laws of economics. When prices go up, demand comes down.
Jack ~
Your frustration with the constantly rising cost of living is understandable and shared by most everyone, including me.
However, I don't view ANA membership as comparable to a retail business and subject to the economic principles of supply and demand. ANA membership is, by it's nature, relatively exclusive and clearly focused on the issue of acoustic neuroma and nothing else. There is no reason to join the ANA if you or someone close to you doesn't have or had an acoustic neuroma.
The ANA was founded by an AN patient (Virginia Fickel Ehr) 32 years ago, now has approximately 5,000 members and is administered by mostly volunteers, including M.D. advisers, a board of directors and a small staff located in an Atlanta, Georgia suburb. The ANA website that hosts these eminently valuable discussion forums costs the ANA money to maintain but even the moderators are volunteers and we're all dues-paying ANA members.
Simply multiplying the annual dues by the membership numbers gives you a good idea of what the ANA budget is, aside from gifts and donations they receive every year. I don't find it at all extravagant considering what the organization offers it's members and I do not believe the dues increase is excessive, but that is simply my opinion.
Granted, prices rise in many areas; my wife complains about food prices, I complain about gas prices and we all complain about rising taxes. Ultimately, it comes down to setting priorities and making choices as to how and where we spend our money. I would assume that folks who have a computer and internet access can afford the $45. ANA dues but if that $45. per year is a financial burden and anyone feels the money is better spent elsewhere, ANA membership remains voluntary.
Jim
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Amen Jim, as usual he has a balanced , informative reply,, it's quite obvious why he is moderator ,, and a very astute one at that,,
As to the thread, the dues/ membership is totally voluntary. comparing the dues increase of this organization to food, gas, utilities is like apples to oranges ,,,, you need a certain amount of those items,, ANA memb. is something we all CHOOSE to pay for after diagnosis due to the invaluable info and support we receive,, you don't have to pay it,, totally your decision .
As for me, I did not even realize there was an increase as I have included additional monies for a donation every year,,, I have received FAR more info and support than what I have CHOSEN to contribute. Great website, forum, support groups and organization for my money!
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Dear Jim and Alabamajane,
Quite well stated and to the point!
The people who maintain this informative site are to be commended, it is not an easy thing...It is a site bristling with information and opinions. Like Jane, I give what I can (over and above the basic membership). Whenever I can I endorse all the good information among doctors groups and encourage them to get the word out about the information available.
Mike
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Jack, if you are currently utilizing Facebook, there are three separate groups populated with people who either have joined the "club" or are supporting somebody in the "club". Another option for support whether or not you choose to renew your ANA membership.
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So yesterday I got a letter from Sam's Club that my membership renewal was hiked to $45 from $40.
Must be an epidemic.
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So yesterday I got a letter from Sam's Club that my membership renewal was hiked to $45 from $40.
Must be an epidemic.
Jack ~
Its because the cost of doing business is rising for all organizations, be they non-profits or retail businesses. It isn't simply inflation, which is currently only 1.75% annually. The increased costs of local, state and federal regulations as well as increased taxes on businesses from revenue-parched states coupled with the projected costs of Obamacare to businesses tends to make business owners and investors wary and many are increasing their prices to offset these real and projected increases. That has a 'ripple effect' on organizations such as the ANA who have to pay more for everything from electricity, printing, use of an internet firm to run the website and various other expenses that are necessary for it to function. The same goes for retail businesses such as Sam's Club (WalMart).
This is why prices are incrementally rising across the economic spectrum. Granted, these small increases cumulatively become burdensome to those of us with ordinary incomes. I wish I could pay the same price I did for things just ten years ago, when a gallon of gas was less than $2.00, but the reality is that few costs remain static, much less, drop. It may be frustrating to see prices rise and have to start making priorities on what is worth the new price and what isn't but that has always been the case. We just tend to forget that we paid much less for many things years ago because we absorbed the higher prices and/or our incomes increased to keep pace with rising costs. Those now living on 'fixed incomes' don't have that option and so, incremental increases in prices are far more noticeable - and onerous. They require careful budgeting and often, the loss of some goods or services once enjoyed. That is never a satisfactory choice but one that many will have to make as our economy continues to contract.
Jim
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Please, gang, don't take me seriously.
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No problem.....Believe me!
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Jack,
This just in my train club association (TCA) membership dues just had a whopping $15 dollar a year increase! They have been in existence since 1952. I have been a member since 2010. They have not had a dues increase in 6 years. This is (membership in the ANA) is worth far more than any association of geeks (like myself) who's hobby it is to collect toy trains.
Just to put it all in perspective.....
Mike
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Haven't, since the "ear plug" post ... ;) That did it. Really; I am glad you are participating in this group! I like your candor.
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I take it back. Take me seriously.
I'm reviving this thread because I just found out that Canadian members pay $70 dues while we in the US pay $45.
What's that all about?
Does it take $25 worth of postage to send mail from the US to Canada?
Did ANA have to hire specialists to address envelopes mailed to Canada?
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Jack, count me in as a Canadian who would like some kind of explanation. I paid $60.00 last year and was warned the dues would be increasing. Imagine my surprise this year at the $70.00 rate!!! As for stamps....the only mailing I receive is for my membership renewal. I access all Newsletters on-line, so there must be some other explanation.
I have no issue paying more (within reason) for a US based service, when it provides me with something I benefit from, but I'd sure like to understand this one!
Just as an added point of interest, according to the Bank of Canada exchange rate for today, I will have to spend $76.21 Canadian to pay for my $70.00 ANA Membership. :(
Cathie.
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ANA is a valuable resource but it's not the only one. There is a limit to how much gouging people will take before they give up and find other resources.
I, for one, will be gone at the next dues increase.
That won't make much of a dent in ANA's coffers but over 800 people have read this thread and that would be a big dent if those people balk at being gouged.
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How bout a senior discount ??
Just curious, is access to this forum contingent on paying the dues?
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Hi Jeanne,
A senior discount is another excellent idea!
I believe you can access and read forum posts without being a paid member, but if you want to post and contact others, then you need to take out a membership. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will tell me but I seem to remember that wanting to post and communicate with others was the main reason I took out the membership.
Cathie
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I believe you can access and read forum posts without being a paid member, but if you want to post and contact others, then you need to take out a membership. If I'm wrong, hopefully someone will tell me but
You can register and participate in the forums without being a paid member.
I just successfully signed up on another computer with a different user name, password and IP address.
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Jack,
I have to admit - you make me laugh!! I'll pay the extra $5 to keep you on the forum. With all due respect to the seriousness of our situations and the value of sincere exchange of information - it does help to have a little levity from the drama. Please keep us laughing...it really helps!!
Ruthie
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Jack,
I have to admit - you make me laugh!! I'll pay the extra $5 to keep you on the forum. With all due respect to the seriousness of our situations and the value of sincere exchange of information - it does help to have a little levity from the drama. Please keep us laughing...it really helps!!
Ruthie
It does my heart good to know that I keep you amused.
A radiologist, a neurosurgeon, and an otologist walk into a bar.
The bartender looks at them and says, "Is this a joke"?
I've got a million of 'em.
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Hi Jack,
Haven't been on in sooooo long, it's good to know you are keeping things lively!!
Between March and June I have been to Florida with my aging Dad who broke 7 ribs on some stairs outside his home on March 10.
After a Hospital stay and a short term stay in one of the local nursing homes in the Naples area. He enjoyed it better at home! Securing 24 hour care for him has been something of a task since my mother who's living with him seems to discourage it.
After Father's Day this year she is going to move him back to live in our family owned Nursing Home in Staten Island which is good at least I work there and can keep a watchful eye on him and ensure that he gets the best of care.
Glad to see that you are the Gaurdian of the Humor! I could use a good joke!
Mike
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Jack,
I have to admit - you make me laugh!! I'll pay the extra $5 to keep you on the forum. With all due respect to the seriousness of our situations and the value of sincere exchange of information - it does help to have a little levity from the drama. Please keep us laughing...it really helps!!
Ruthie
It does my heart good to know that I keep you amused.
A radiologist, a neurosurgeon, and an otologist walk into a bar.
The bartender looks at them and says, "Is this a joke"?
I've got a million of 'em.
I'd say many of us need 'em....
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I actually laughed out loud at your bartender joke.
Then again, I'm Irish.
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To All,
The ability to laugh when you feel down can be truly therapeutic, I should know, I'm in Health Care!
Mike
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It costs $1.20 to send a one ounce letter from the US to Canada yet Canadian members pay $70 for "international" dues when US members pay only $45.
How does that make any sense?
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Here's some trivia to mull over - May 2014 on this thread I posted that my International Membership (I live in Canada) had increased to $70.00 US, and with the exchange rate on the date of that posting my membership was going to cost me $76.21 in CDN funds. Based on today's exchange rate, it will now cost Canadians $92.16 for the very same membership you are paying $45.00 for as a US citizen.
Several years ago, I had a membership with another USA organization which obviously had different benefits, however, they also had a different approach to setting their fees. Currently, for US citizens their Single Membership fee is $65.00, for Canada and Mexico the single fee is $115.00 and for ALL OTHER countries the single fee is $215.00. If postage is the main consideration in determining the ANA International Membership fees, then surely there is a difference in cost between sending correspondence to Canada and Mexico compared to Europe, Australia, etc.
It does make ones head spin doesn't it! ???
Cathie