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Post-Treatment => Cognitive/Emotional Issues => Topic started by: phx on December 21, 2010, 09:40:55 pm

Title: Depression
Post by: phx on December 21, 2010, 09:40:55 pm
I think I'm depressed. I just feel like I'm not getting the support I need, but at the same time I also feel like I am. I know that I'm not making sense. I don't want people to treat me differently, but I also don't want people to act like I'm all good and well and back to my old self because I will never be like that again. I'm just different now. I use to love school, love family time, etc. and now I feel like I just want to be by myself. I have a hard time expressing my feelings because people tell me I'm just venting. Many of my symptoms of the acoustic neuroma started before my surgery and still remain, plus some more added as a result of surgery. People just don't get it. I feel really unsure of myself. Every time I ask someone to repeat something or explain it differently and even when I do something not "normal", I feel like I always have to explain why. I don't mind explaining, but then I start feeling like I'm asking for pity and I'm really not. I feel like it's the end of the world. I'm sad that I have a brain tumor, but I'm very thankful that it's somewhat under control. Every now and then I have really bad anxiety to the point where I get so afraid that I'm going to die because of this thing. Anyone feel that way or have felt that way? Any advice for me? Thanks everyone.

Phx
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Migoi on December 22, 2010, 06:24:41 am
Hi,

  While I have a personal belief that 'normal' is a much overrated human parameter, I do understand the desire to be like everyone else. The problem is that if you have an AN you're not like everyone else. You're hanging out on the edge of the statistical bell curve in the land of the single digit percentage. Normal can usually be better thought of as 'normal for me' versus 'normal as compared to others.' Your mission, whether you chose to accept it or not, is to become comfortable with your new normal.

I have some thoughts on parts of your post...not advice (trust me, taking advice from me generally turns out to be a very iffy proposition), just a relating of my thoughts.

Wanting to be left alone... Yep, that happens. For me it's a matter of needing 'think' time. Before the surgery, it was thinking about all the stuff I had read and been told about AN's and their effects. After the surgery, it was thinking about how to meet the various challenges plus plotting on how to overcome those challenges. Plotting takes time, but you can shorten that time by conspiring. That's why these forums exist...so we can conspire to overthrow the challenges (and occasionally a despot or two.)

Venting.... Yep, that happens. And it should. People actually tell you "You're just venting."? If so, I'm thinking one response might be, "Yes, I am. Thanks for letting me vent, I really needed that. You're a good friend." One more reason why these forums exist... a place to vent to folks that know there is a need to vent. Vent away.

Explaining.... Yep, that happens. How I explain, and how much I explain depends a lot on the circumstances.  I suppose at one time I was a bit conscious about asking people to repeat things they said..but I've had some hearing loss for a long time and it doesn't bother me anymore. I've adjusted to thinking that if it was important enough for them to say it to me, then it should be important enough for me to actually understand what they were saying and they shouldn't have a problem repeating it. A statement of fact, "I can't hear anything on one side." is not a request for pity, it's simply a statement of fact. Will some folks still pity you...probably, but you can't control what other people think. They will think what they will think..if you didn't explain and didn't try to understand those same people would probably think other equally unkind things. Sometimes in noisy environments I misunderstand what people say and make replies totally unconnected to the subject. Other times I understand what they said and still make a reply totally unconnected to the subject (and usually a bit outrageous) just to see the look on their faces.

Again, none of the above should be considered advice. You should also know that recently a student in the high school where I teach was asked the definition of "eccentric." That student immediately replied, "That's how Mr. Migoi acts." Not only did the other students agree with that, it also was an acceptable answer on the end of the week vocabulary test. So proceed at your own risk in following the above information.

..thanks for being...migoi

Title: Re: Depression
Post by: suboo73 on December 22, 2010, 07:09:49 am
Phx,

I read your post and my heart goes out to you!
Even though i am in W & W, i have had some of those feelings as well...
Frustration; how to tell others (if i want to) without seeming pitiful, etc. etc.

I work in a university and talk with students and coworkers all day long.
Some know my situation, others do not. 
But, as Migio stated, i often ask others to repeat what they said so i can be clear on their request.
I will say something like - "I don't hear well on my right side, would you please repeat what you said?"

It has been 2 years since diagnosis and i am still trying to find that new 'normal.'
I guess it is all part of the journey.

Take care and keep writing.  I think it is important to write down your thoughts!
We are here for you - so glad you wrote this post!

Sincerely,
Sue

Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Cheryl R on December 22, 2010, 08:44:40 am
While looking at some paperback books in a store, I saw one called  Am I Normal?                 I never looked at it but did give me a smile and good to know that is a question we all ask ourselves or a book would not have been written.          One persons normal is not another persons "normal"                   Just being on here for a long time has shown me how one person's personality to this whole AN adventure can vary greatly and always will!                                   Cheryl R
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: moe on December 22, 2010, 09:41:28 am
Phx,
There are a lot of posts about this topic. Here is one from a member who doesn't post much any more. She is doing sooo much better, and has learned to accept her limitations. You may want to read through her posts.

http://anausa.org/forum/index.php?topic=10515.0

I can sooo relate to everything you said. I included a lot in those posts myself! My heart goes out to you.

Depression can be a normal reaction to everything that we have to go through. Trying extra hard to get through the day with listening , (tinnitus in my case), with the SSD is so exhausting. I would just want to hide and turn into a social hermit.

It has been a long road for me. 4.5 years later, I am finally starting to feel better. Thanks recently to the BAHA for hearing and a new antidepressant to supplement my normal antidepressant.  :o (You do what you gotta do)

It's ok to admit you are depressed. Almost expected. So don't be afraid to talk to your doctor to get some help. It has helped ME recently to get through this month.

Feel free to PM me if you would like to. But venting on the forum is good therapy for you and all those others who have the same problem, but maybe don't want to post.

 I had the cyclic depression (PMS) before the diagnoses, so post op I'm dealing with 2 different types of depression, I think.

Anyway, hang in there, we are here for you :)
Moe
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Jim Scott on December 22, 2010, 03:48:07 pm
Phx ~

I submit that your frustrations are perfectly normal for an AN patient.  Most of the folks that post here have experienced some or all of the emotions you've described in your message.  I can't diagnose depression but that can be a rather ambiguous term.  I suppose at some point in our journey, all AN patients could be described as 'depressed'.  What to do about it?  Well, we all handle things differently.  Being some 40 + years older than you, I didn't approach my AN diagnosis the same way as you might have or the same way a 35-year-old mother of two or three young children might. I saw my diagnosis as a challenge that, with the help of my doctors and my spiritual faith, I would have to conquer.  I did my research and chose a treatment plan (offered by my neurosurgeon) and was determined to recover my 'normal' life as quickly as possible.  I had already learned to deal with being SSD and, post-op, I worked hard to regain my balance ability.  That paid off and within a year of my surgery and radiation, I was about as 'normal' as I was ever going to be and I was (and remain) O.K. with that.  I lead a fairly active life (church Deacon, among other responsibilities).  Fortunately, I suffered no complications from my surgery/radiation and that obviously made my recovery much smoother.  I also was determined not to allow whatever physical deficits I did incur (a few, all invisible to others) to dominate my life in any way.  I am far from the 'macho' type but I also loath pity and was resolved to 'suck up' any issues I had and simply get on with my life - and that is exactly what I did.  My wife was always supportive and most of my friends know about my being SSD and never even mention it.  I've long since learned how to position myself to have my 'good' ear toward a speaker, although I do occasionally miss something that is said and have to ask to have it repeated.  I have no problem doing so, although I try to avoid asking, whenever possible, mainly when I assume what was said wasn't crucial or others responses make it obvious i.e. laughter.  I guess what I'm stating is that the AN patient has to be his/her own best friend and decide to make the best of the situation (such as being SSD).  It's a matter of self confidence and having an acoustic neuroma diagnosis can certainly shake that confidence but you can surmount your feelings of inadequacy.  I believe your fear of death is not all that uncommon but basically unrealistic.  Don't dwell on it as that fear has no basis, unless you decide to ignore your AN - which you won't.   I hope you can push past your frustrations and fears and get to a better place, emotionally.  We're here to support you as you make that journey and we're all rooting for you, so take heart and know that you're not alone - and that you'll be O.K.     :)

Jim
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: FLsunshine on December 23, 2010, 11:08:30 am
Well, there have already been many ythoughtful posts already written but I couldn't help but add a few of my own as my heart went out to you:

venting - got to do it or you'll go crazy keeping it all inside you.  This forum is filled with the best support you will ever have. 

external support - don't expect your friends and family to really understand what you are going through because they can't.  they don't know what it is like to have daily reminders (through symptoms you are managing or just your own thoughts that you are managing) of what you are dealing with.  its also a silent disability in that people can't see your injury or your pain like they can a broken arm.  have patience and don't judge their lack of response for lack of caring... cause they really don't know what its like.  depend on this support forum for like minded people in your same situation that can empathize with you but more importantly provide you with excellent ideas on coping strategies and how to address your concerns with your friends/family. 

be easy on yourself - allow yourself to be angry, to be sad or even some days to feel great and energized that you are going to beat this thing.  you'll have up days, down days... allow yourself these feelings.

educate yourself - on what treatment options there are and how much time you have to decide... some docs try to push treatment really fast when there is the watch and wait option especially if your tumor is less than 1 cm.  Mine was diagnosed 4 years ago and while it is still relatively small I have a lot of very debilitating symptoms that I am managing with great doctor care. 

life does get better - believe it.  this site has many members who can tell you that while scary at diagnosis, during waiting, and even a bit after treatment... life does goe on and many, many get better.  there are those that don't but keep it in perspective that there are more people that get better than those that don't.

faith - keep it and cultivate it.  this tumor can be looked upon as a negative in your life or you can reframe and consider it a "gift" in helping you redefine your life, reconfirm whats important to you.  there was a great thread about this very topic of perspective as a "gift".  I encourage you to search it and read the inspiring stories.

We are all here for you. 
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Brewers7 on December 23, 2010, 11:23:38 am
A wise doctor told me, "Your life won't always be this way."  I clung to my faith and these words to get me through the really dark times.  Do not hesitate to reach out for help.
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: GramaSuby on January 02, 2011, 09:31:58 pm
As one who has suffers from depression since childhood I know what you're going thru and it seems endless and hopeless but I can assure you that there is hope and there are
bright days to come.  When I can get myself outside, sitting in the sun gives my spirits a lift.  God be with you and know that you are loved!
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Mickey on January 04, 2011, 09:48:59 am
Having a AN and its symptoms is not something that would make anybody happy. Therefore normal tendency is to become sad or even a little depressed. In my situation being W+W I`ve had the same symptoms for 30 years being diognosed for 3 1/2 years now. When the tinnitus started way back then I thought it would drive my crazy. Its amazing how you can adapt to things over time and I'm so used to it that it just became part of "my being". That dosn`t mean that from time to time I don`t get down. What I do is try to keep very positive and outgoing very healthy and spiritual. Try it! over a period of time this may help while at the same time you stay on top of the course of action you decide for your AN. Hope you feel better soon, Mickey
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Syl on January 04, 2011, 12:22:00 pm
Phx:

There is a difference between asking for pitty & expecting understanding. I used to get frustrated that people don't understand that my hearing isn't the same. There's this one jerk at work that talks to me from the other side of a cubicle wall as she's facing away from me. She knows about my AN surgery & hearing loss. When I tell her that I didn't catch what she said, she refuses to repeat herself sometimes, depending on her mood. Other folks have no problem repeating until I catch what they are trying to tell me.

In time I have learned that some people just don't want to hear about my AN problems. There are others who still ask how I'm feeling, even after 2.5 years since my surgery. So when they ask, I take advantage and talk.   

These folks here on the forum are the only ones who truely understand. If you need to vent, this is the best place for it. There is always someone who can relate & lend an ear.
 
Syl
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Kathleen_Mc on January 15, 2011, 12:32:30 am
I think I'm depressed. I just feel like I'm not getting the support I need, but at the same time I also feel like I am. I know that I'm not making sense. I don't want people to treat me differently, but I also don't want people to act like I'm all good and well and back to my old self because I will never be like that again. I'm just different now. I use to love school, love family time, etc. and now I feel like I just want to be by myself. I have a hard time expressing my feelings because people tell me I'm just venting. Many of my symptoms of the acoustic neuroma started before my surgery and still remain, plus some more added as a result of surgery. People just don't get it. I feel really unsure of myself. Every time I ask someone to repeat something or explain it differently and even when I do something not "normal", I feel like I always have to explain why. I don't mind explaining, but then I start feeling like I'm asking for pity and I'm really not. I feel like it's the end of the world. I'm sad that I have a brain tumor, but I'm very thankful that it's somewhat under control. Every now and then I have really bad anxiety to the point where I get so afraid that I'm going to die because of this thing. Anyone feel that way or have felt that way? Any advice for me? Thanks everyone.

Phx

If you think you are depressed a trip to the doctor is a good idea, there is help available. I started feeling depressed about 4 weeks post op, at first I thought I was just depressed because of my new appearance but when I spoke to my doctor he explained to me that when one has brain surgery often the neurotransmitters get our of wack and a chemical depression can start. Feeling that you don't have enough support, even when you do, is common when someone is depressed because no support in the world can take away that feeling and when someone is depressed then tend to feel alone no matter how many people are around them.
Having a life threatening health issue can often make one feel much differently about themselves and life in general, many will tend to take a look at their life and makes changes.....maybe this is part of the social isolation (as well as the depression), I too found socialising very difficult and for some time tended to isolate but that isn't going to help.....you need to try to get back to spending time with family and friends, usually a small gathering is better and makes it easier to hear.
Try to stop feeling like you need to apologise for being hearing impaired, you wouldn't see it that way if you'd been born as such would you?
May I ask how long ago was your surgery? Maybe you're expecting too much from yourself too soon? One thing my doctor frequently reminded me "this tumor didn't grow over night and you're not going to heal overnight"
Kathleen
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: JudyT on January 19, 2011, 09:38:56 am
I so GET what you are saying  here about depression/anxiety....feeling different. I am currently in a slump, trying to fight my way out of the"paper bag"....We all have to do that periodically I think, for a variety of reasons. There are not any clear cut answers to our questions....I am spending a lot of alone time right now....normally that wouldn't work.....right now it is....spending time with me....writing my life chronicles....sketching/painting.....reading and doing some "ORGANIZING" isn't that the thing to do these days......every magazine on the planet seems to think so.....ha ha. It really does take thought and planning......also the mind off of self....Since I am not driving much (vertigo etc.) I am being creative with this project.....covering shoe boxes etc. to contain office supplies. My depression is forgotten while I am doing these things and I do feel productive instead of like a "blob" This is such a good place to be.....all of you are such a blessing....One thing I never feel is lonely.......thanks.   Judy
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: McFlorida on January 19, 2011, 12:01:52 pm
While I have a personal belief that 'normal' is a much overrated human parameter, I do understand the desire to be like everyone else. The problem is that if you have an AN you're not like everyone else. You're hanging out on the edge of the statistical bell curve in the land of the single digit percentage. Normal can usually be better thought of as 'normal for me' versus 'normal as compared to others.' Your mission, whether you chose to accept it or not, is to become comfortable with your new normal.

This is a great statement.  We are all (AN'ers and non-AN'ers) are always looking to be comfortable with our "new normal".  At one moment I'm content, and the next I am so frustrated that I can pop.  That is part of my new normal.  Once I accept that frustrations are "normal", it doesn't seem quite as frustrating.  Weird, huh?  Hang in there.
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: phx on January 19, 2011, 07:32:07 pm

My surgery was February of last year. It's almost one year. I am soooooooo happy and relieved because it has been such a loooooong trip. I had radiation in August, but apparently the swelling is happening now. The good news is that there is slight shrinkage. I'm on steriods, but that's okay because it's a small price to pay for feeling good. Plus I've had my eyes checked since and I feel kinda normal now.

Thanks All!!

I think I'm depressed. I just feel like I'm not getting the support I need, but at the same time I also feel like I am. I know that I'm not making sense. I don't want people to treat me differently, but I also don't want people to act like I'm all good and well and back to my old self because I will never be like that again. I'm just different now. I use to love school, love family time, etc. and now I feel like I just want to be by myself. I have a hard time expressing my feelings because people tell me I'm just venting. Many of my symptoms of the acoustic neuroma started before my surgery and still remain, plus some more added as a result of surgery. People just don't get it. I feel really unsure of myself. Every time I ask someone to repeat something or explain it differently and even when I do something not "normal", I feel like I always have to explain why. I don't mind explaining, but then I start feeling like I'm asking for pity and I'm really not. I feel like it's the end of the world. I'm sad that I have a brain tumor, but I'm very thankful that it's somewhat under control. Every now and then I have really bad anxiety to the point where I get so afraid that I'm going to die because of this thing. Anyone feel that way or have felt that way? Any advice for me? Thanks everyone.

Phx

If you think you are depressed a trip to the doctor is a good idea, there is help available. I started feeling depressed about 4 weeks post op, at first I thought I was just depressed because of my new appearance but when I spoke to my doctor he explained to me that when one has brain surgery often the neurotransmitters get our of wack and a chemical depression can start. Feeling that you don't have enough support, even when you do, is common when someone is depressed because no support in the world can take away that feeling and when someone is depressed then tend to feel alone no matter how many people are around them.
Having a life threatening health issue can often make one feel much differently about themselves and life in general, many will tend to take a look at their life and makes changes.....maybe this is part of the social isolation (as well as the depression), I too found socialising very difficult and for some time tended to isolate but that isn't going to help.....you need to try to get back to spending time with family and friends, usually a small gathering is better and makes it easier to hear.
Try to stop feeling like you need to apologise for being hearing impaired, you wouldn't see it that way if you'd been born as such would you?
May I ask how long ago was your surgery? Maybe you're expecting too much from yourself too soon? One thing my doctor frequently reminded me "this tumor didn't grow over night and you're not going to heal overnight"
Kathleen
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: phx on January 19, 2011, 07:34:43 pm
Thanks for all the comments everyone! I appreciate them so much. This is a great forum and I know there are always people willing to listen on here.


PHX
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: pmcollings on December 28, 2012, 09:46:54 pm
Hope you are feeling better - would be interested to know as I am going thru the same thing but 2 months post op. 
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: millie on January 03, 2013, 07:02:17 pm
Hope you are feeling stronger and better too.  I am also someone who battles depreession/anxiety  after the trans-lab surgery ten weeks ago.
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Glenda on January 03, 2013, 10:51:37 pm
I see this thread was started in 2010 but so glad I saw it.  I am feeling so many of the same things I have read about here.  I am 5 weeks from surgery and already co-workers are asking when I'm coming back.  I feel so frightened of going back to work.  Still can't deal with the dizziness, had hearing before surgery and now SSD with lots of tinnitus.  Sometimes when I am tired it roars so loud I can't hear well out of my good ear.  It makes me want to hide and be by myself away from noise.  My Mom told me my great-aunt is dealing with hers and she is 90, she was talking about tinnitus.  My great aunt never had a brain tumor and lost her hearing along with the other things that come with brain surgery.  I Thank God for this site because I feel I would really be crazy without you all who understand.  Others look at me and say I look so much better and they are glad I am so much better.  My face does look better but on the inside I am so scared because of the changes.  I know I have a ways to go and because of this forum I know it will get better but it hurts that others have no comprehension of what I am going through.  They think I will be back to the normal before surgery and that can never be, I need time to adjust to that.....Thanks for your posts and thanks for being there to all of you!
Glenda
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: millie on January 04, 2013, 10:34:25 am
Glenda I feel exactly the same as you.  People tell me I look so much better, and my face is actually much improved, but the feeling I have in my head, and the complete deafness on that side, plus the eye that isalso better but not blinking in sinc with the right and needs drops and ointment, get me down.  You are only five weeks out-we have to hang on to the idea on this forum  it's a journey and it takes time and we need to be patient.  I can see how it would be frightening to go back to work-I am fortunate to be retired .    Yes, thank God for this forum. 
The last couple nights, as I lay awake, I tried praying a bit more-also, I get up and make a list of at least 3 positive things to do next day. 
The doctors have said we will get better.  We have to believe that. 
When do you see your doctor again?  What does he say?  Do you have any sick time left?
I understand.
Mil
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: MDemisay on January 04, 2013, 04:22:33 pm
 To All,

I too have been depressed!

 But you have to realize that after a while it does get better you settle in to your "new" normal.....you learn to live with your deficits you get stronger! After some time living with single sided deafness, you get used to it. People that you thought were your friends disappoint you and fall into an aqaintance category or worse.

This hurts the most, but all in all you will adjust, just don't give up on yourselves you still have plenty to give.....For those of you just going back to work ease yourself in if your schedule will allow, don't rush back in or you will certainly be overwhelmed! Go easy on yourself, handle each difficulty as it comes, learn to sigh and then try, try again!

Being here among friends who truly understand what you may be going through has been a blessing for me....Being virtually by myself from 2004 through 2012 was isolating and made me feel strange.....Then I came to this ANA forum and I could express my feelings and stuff I kept inside for so long!

Most of what I'm trying to say here is now that you know that we share this common diagnosis, it should make it easier on you to know that someone has gone through it before and will not judge you (as others will who do not have an AN). This gets tiresome after awhile, I know, but you will learn to live with it.

This is the "new" you!  Celebrate the fact you have survived the ordeal! The fair weather friends will fall away, those that stick with you are your true friends!

If you have been through this ordeal, you are tough! Don't give up on yourself!

I don't bring it up much, but in desperation, in 2004, I went on to another website that deals with mostly metastatic brain tumors.(by mistake).....It was some time before I realized that what most of us share here is that there is hope for us, that we will live! We share  benign brain tumors..(Shortly before I went in to surgery I discovered the ANA).

In that, there is hope! It is not as bad as it may seem!

Sure life will have changed for most of us, but at least we have each other that we can lean on. We truly are blessed to have this forum!

Have a decent weekend and a Happy New Year (certainly a better one than the last)!

Your Friend,

Mike

Title: Re: Depression
Post by: millie on January 04, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Thanks, Mike.  God bless you.
Mil
Title: Re: Depression
Post by: Glenda on January 05, 2013, 12:00:40 pm
Thanks for sharing Mike!  You are so right!  This forum is a life saver.

Mil, I go back to the Dr on Jan 31st.  I am currently on short term disability and approved through that date.  It can be extended if the Dr gives them medical evidence so I guess we will see what happens when I go back.  I have a little less than 6 years until I can retire, if I can afford to at that time.  I am just so scared of going back, I hate not feeling like myself.  I know I will get adjusted but I haven't yet.....I hope the Dr will give me a little more time, if not maybe he will only approve part time for awhile....Hang in there too, we shall make it!
Glenda